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« Reply #330 on: March 17, 2010, 09:38:30 PM »
It is a valid question that is intriguing a lot of folks. How is so much wood packed into this a bat of such low dead weight? Maybe there can be a constructive debate on it?
Is it simply because the weight is taken from edges and the top?   That alone cannot explain because based on that logic it should not dwarf the MMI.
Light willow? BlackCat said earlier that it was not over-dried. So do they have a disproportionate share of low density naturally dried timber? Something different they are doing in growing their willow? If that's the case it could be a huge advantage over competition who is relying on other suppliers for willow as well as bat making.
From the pictures, can't make out any other weight reducing tricks.

Either way, scientific or not, the design deserves a lot of praise for innovative thinking.

Rich - what's your take on this given your experience and the minor detail that you've actually had the bat in your hands
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« Reply #331 on: March 17, 2010, 09:38:54 PM »
Maybe he likes the lighter weight and extra stiffness
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« Reply #332 on: March 17, 2010, 09:40:55 PM »
Quote from: Leo on March 17, 2010, 09:38:54 PM
Maybe he likes the lighter weight and extra stiffness

Are you talking about James' Carbo handle?
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« Reply #333 on: March 17, 2010, 09:42:52 PM »
Quote from: norbs on March 17, 2010, 09:37:24 PM
Why a carbo handle?

because after using a laver with one ifind it hard to use cane now mate.

maybe it not just the handle  but i have found with a carbo core the bat holds it power longer as i think we tend to blame the blade when sometimes it the handle which reduces the power not the blade.

and yes i do like stiffness(although i have not found it any stiffer with the carbo rod in it) i have used a laver in matches for 3 years well most of the time.

surely you can understand this as a bat maker andy???
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« Reply #334 on: March 17, 2010, 09:43:19 PM »
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« Reply #335 on: March 17, 2010, 09:48:10 PM »
Quote from: Leo on March 17, 2010, 09:43:19 PM
yeha
James Carbo handle isnt about stiffness or being lighter it's about flexibilty and shock absorbtion

"The handle was our CARBOCANE© handle that had a lower content Carbon in the weave that allowed more flexibilty. The Handle was then bound with a slightly different twine to allow more shock absorbtion. The Top hand had an extra half grip that was and airated rubber underneath a softer Hex Grip. All resulting in a huge amount of shock reduction whilst retaining the performance."
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« Reply #336 on: March 17, 2010, 09:49:35 PM »
Quote from: procricket on March 17, 2010, 09:42:52 PM
because after using a laver with one ifind it hard to use cane now mate.

maybe it not just the handle  but i have found with a carbo core the bat holds it power longer as i think we tend to blame the blade when sometimes it the handle which reduces the power not the blade.

and yes i do like stiffness(although i have not found it any stiffer with the carbo rod in it) i have used a laver in matches for 3 years well most of the time.

surely you can understand this as a bat maker andy???

so you like the stiffness but have not found it any stiffer with the carbo rod in it! Is that right?
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« Reply #337 on: March 17, 2010, 09:52:00 PM »
like i said it not about stiffness it i used to it now and if you have not used it you would not like it for a while takes time to get to grips with.

i just like it in my bats.

i find maybe just the bat but it tends to just feel better to me and i love the hollow sound of the ball leaving the bat.
not everbody cup of tea but you do not feel like you hit it at times
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« Reply #338 on: March 17, 2010, 09:52:42 PM »
Says this on the site...
"A carbon / S-Glass tube is inserted down 75mm into the top of the handle to help the handle retain its stiffness "
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« Reply #339 on: March 17, 2010, 09:55:15 PM »
Quote from: Leo on March 17, 2010, 09:52:42 PM
Says this on the site...
"A carbon / S-Glass tube is inserted down 75mm into the top of the handle to help the handle retain its stiffness "

Fair enough, sounds like he's mixed up somewhere then!
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« Reply #340 on: March 17, 2010, 09:55:39 PM »
i must say it just feels different to any other thing i have used as somebody else on here has previously said about it it mad when you see the ball flying to the boundary when you feel nothing
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« Reply #341 on: March 17, 2010, 09:57:33 PM »
Norbs - is the higher felxibility of Carbocane mentioned in your post above relative to a full carbon insert or a cane handle? I interpreted that comment as different ways of reducing the major disadvantage of carbon handle (i.e. poor shock absorption) rather than a comparison to cane handle. Maybe I got it wrong?
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« Reply #342 on: March 17, 2010, 10:01:11 PM »
Interesting that some people (laver) are going for more stiffness and others (Mongoose) are going for less stiffness...
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« Reply #343 on: March 17, 2010, 10:04:00 PM »
back on topic now could black cat give us some bumf on the bat????
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« Reply #344 on: March 17, 2010, 10:07:18 PM »
trust me mate they sound hollow  i think i may have used it a little more than you have just a thought maybe wrong but my bat sounds hollow and tinny

but hey your the bat maker i just use them and my bat sounds hollow and tinny

if i make the nets i will let you use it and you will see.

maybe it is the fact i took the dowel out of the carbo core ?????
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