Topic: Switching from medium pace to offspin - any advice? (Read 15159 times)

AJ2014 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 15, 2020, 05:22:42 PM »

Quote from: sfa82 on January 15, 2020, 05:12:30 PM

I have read this thread with interest having made the change from medium pace to becoming a off-spinner about 6 years ago. A lot of the inputs are very true and I found I experienced the same things mentioned here. An important aspect is of course the level at which you play. At lower levels, bowlers dish up bad balls regularly and the more accurate consistent bowlers do very well. Batsmen also manage to get themselves out rather being out-thought by bowlers. My biggest struggle was limiting the bad balls initially. It always appears easier to be more accurate bowling slower, but it definitely takes a lot of practice and figuring out how to go about the task. Another important aspect is figuring out the best pace to bowl at on a particular surface or to a particular batsmen.

All that being said, I'm still learning and I wouldn't be able to pull it off at a higher level.

Out of interests, in the leagues you guys play, are the spinners massive turners of the ball?

Surrey league 4 XI, yes
And I agree with your post, slower deliveries with a faster straighter ones, here and there 😀

SLA · « **Reply #46 on:** January 15, 2020, 05:23:28 PM »

Quote from: sfa82 on January 15, 2020, 05:12:30 PM

I have read this thread with interest having made the change from medium pace to becoming a off-spinner about 6 years ago. A lot of the inputs are very true and I found I experienced the same things mentioned here. An important aspect is of course the level at which you play. At lower levels, bowlers dish up bad balls regularly and the more accurate consistent bowlers do very well. Batsmen also manage to get themselves out rather being out-thought by bowlers. My biggest struggle was limiting the bad balls initially. It always appears easier to be more accurate bowling slower, but it definitely takes a lot of practice and figuring out how to go about the task. Another important aspect is figuring out the best pace to bowl at on a particular surface or to a particular batsmen.

All that being said, I'm still learning and I wouldn't be able to pull it off at a higher level.

Out of interests, in the leagues you guys play, are the spinners massive turners of the ball?

Hmmm, its a mixture. Personally I find the bowlers that really turn the ball square easier to face than the ones that just turn it a bat's width at good pace, because you can just use the angle to guide the ball into gaps.

Getting revs on the ball isn't just about generating big sideways turn of course, its also what provides the drift and the dip and sometimes the bit of extra bounce that conjures a wicket up out of nowhere.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #47 on:** January 15, 2020, 05:57:08 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on January 14, 2020, 11:41:56 PM

As the title suggests, I'm debating making the switch this year due to a longstanding shoulder niggle which is exacerbated every season by about the 5th indoor net. Have found that turning my arm over doesn't have the same impact so keen to give it a go, even if only just at nets.

Has anyone else made the same switch, and if so any tips would be welcome?

I did, many moons ago and then I just quit bowling. There are younger guys in my team with better fitness who enjoy bowling. It was an easy decision that I haven't regretted. Bowling is hard work and takes a lot out of me during a game. I'd rather conserve my energies for batting.

For clubbies, I am assuming you are one, I feel it is important to know what you enjoy and how much effort your body can sustain over the period of a game. The ratio should be in the favor of "fun" or "enjoyment". Knowing my limits helped me enjoy club cricket so much more. Probably not the suggestion you were looking for.

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #48 on:** January 15, 2020, 06:05:35 PM »

Quote from: SLA on January 15, 2020, 04:56:08 PM

They're related, but they're not the same thing. Spin is what you do to the ball - its the number and direction of the revs. Spin can have 4 different effects: turn, bounce, drift and dip. I'd argue that they're each equally important.

You can't have turn without spin (unless the ball hits a stone), but you can have spin without turn. For example, a topspinner has a lot of spin, but it doesn't turn.

In this case we are making a similar argument. Because I was suggesting that the leg spinner walking wicket mentioned would still be classified as a spinner if the ball did nothing. Hence my examples of yardy and root.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #49 on:** January 15, 2020, 06:10:07 PM »

I made the switch about couple years ago as some really good folks who I trust mentioned that I would be better off if I made the switch to spin and i was always interested in spin bowling.

First one year was not great, I was experimenting with my action, grip, run up, delivery stride, etc and was always afraid of bowling loose balls every over, which held me back I felt. Then i realized that I dont have to worry so much about bowling the loose balls and rather only focus on bowling as many good balls as possible with the understanding that it is ok if i didnt bowl good balls at 100%. At some point later, I figured out the perfect action, grip and technique in the middle of one a game and that was the one that I could stick to to repeat over after over with confidence. Now I have confidence of my ability to keep the bad balls (full tosses/half trackers) to almost a minimum. And where I know I might bowl a loose ball, I try to protect with my field placings. So then, I started experimenting with some variations. Again when I try those variations, I ended up bowling bad balls. However, I am confidant just like my initial struggles, i will get over those at some time. Overall, the learning process and results has been very interesting and exciting.

Lastly, no matter how many videos you watch or people you talk to, I realized one needs to figure out what works best for them and that happens only with lot of practice and games and taking a learning/positive approach to failures. Good luck..

Tom_90 · « **Reply #50 on:** January 15, 2020, 06:35:01 PM »

@SLA

I have a question if you don't mind.

If i bowl spin with a cross or scrambled seam, would that create more turbulence and therefore more drift? I find it easier to generate more revs by using the seam as a lever with my index finger if that makes sense?

bigblue365 · « **Reply #51 on:** January 15, 2020, 06:40:35 PM »

I bowl part-time slow medium pace occasionally. When I tried to bowl spin at nets I end up bowling short of length balls or low full tosses. I figured out that bowling spin at certain speed helps in controlling the line/length.

AJ2014 · « **Reply #52 on:** January 15, 2020, 07:25:17 PM »

Quote from: adb club cricketer on January 15, 2020, 06:10:07 PM

I made the switch about couple years ago as some really good folks who I trust mentioned that I would be better off if I made the switch to spin and i was always interested in spin bowling.

First one year was not great, I was experimenting with my action, grip, run up, delivery stride, etc and was always afraid of bowling loose balls every over, which held me back I felt. Then i realized that I dont have to worry so much about bowling the loose balls and rather only focus on bowling as many good balls as possible with the understanding that it is ok if i didnt bowl good balls at 100%. At some point later, I figured out the perfect action, grip and technique in the middle of one a game and that was the one that I could stick to to repeat over after over with confidence. Now I have confidence of my ability to keep the bad balls (full tosses/half trackers) to almost a minimum. And where I know I might bowl a loose ball, I try to protect with my field placings. So then, I started experimenting with some variations. Again when I try those variations, I ended up bowling bad balls. However, I am confidant just like my initial struggles, i will get over those at some time. Overall, the learning process and results has been very interesting and exciting.

Lastly, no matter how many videos you watch or people you talk to, I realized one needs to figure out what works best for them and that happens only with lot of practice and games and taking a learning/positive approach to failures. Good luck..

good one
I've very straight long on and long off, stays in or goes out, depending on the situation and the batter
straighter mid wicket,
next to leg umpire square leg very straight point
just on the inner circle a bit wider mid off and wider mid on
they mostly stay the same each game,
other are match situation dependant
guess this unorthodox field setting, as I don't bowl many slow deliveries
for slower off spinner, i think field setting will be wider and towards the rope.

AJ2014 · « **Reply #53 on:** January 15, 2020, 07:36:01 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on January 15, 2020, 12:09:11 PM

Not a particularly high level and no real aspiration to play at a higher level as I know my limitations as a cricketer!

fair enough, most important part is to keep enjoying what you do, rest will come

AJ2014 · « **Reply #54 on:** January 15, 2020, 07:42:10 PM »

Quote from: edge on January 15, 2020, 12:28:12 PM

Something I've been half considering lately - I started out as a pace bowler who could hold a bat and have gradually swapped roles, which has sent my bowling downhill pretty sharply. Don't want to give up bowling, do I slow things down and trundle or try and bowl spin? Trouble being that my offspsin efforts, while fairly accurate, don't turn.
if you are not needed as a bowler and scoring enough runs, then why bother ? other option will just keep bowling medium in the nets

AJ2014 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 15, 2020, 07:44:19 PM »

Quote from: SLA on January 15, 2020, 12:29:56 PM

In what sense is he a legspinner then?

yep, same question I got

brokenbat · « **Reply #56 on:** January 15, 2020, 11:23:35 PM »

Whatever you do, do NOT think of spin bowling as �slow� bowling. Being a medium pacer, you already have good shoulder rotation... use it and keep the same arm speed etc. The ball will naturally slow as you try and spin in - trying to bowl �slow� (by slowing arm speed etc) will only lead to lollipops that wont have any drift or dip.
I would suggest picking one or two offies and then watch their clips.. you have a nice variety to choose from:
1. Swann (fast offie who�s run up is probably closest to that of medium pacers)
2. Lyon - more loopy but still quick through air. Relies more on classical �up and over� type action
3. Jadeja, herath, vettori - guys who didn�t spin much (still imparted revs).
4. Ashwin - combo of Lyon and swan imo.

Pick one you like and find them on YouTube. Most have tips etc online.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #57 on:** January 15, 2020, 11:44:50 PM »

Club spinners bowl much slower than the pros, for sure. Some of them don't spin it much, either.

If I were a better batsman...

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #58 on:** January 15, 2020, 11:50:52 PM »

Quote from: Tom_90 on January 15, 2020, 06:35:01 PM

@SLA

I have a question if you don't mind.

If i bowl spin with a cross or scrambled seam, would that create more turbulence and therefore more drift? I find it easier to generate more revs by using the seam as a lever with my index finger if that makes sense?

At higher level bowling with a scrambled seam is meant to make the spin harder to read. At lower levels, it just comes out like that?

AJ2014 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 16, 2020, 02:54:17 AM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on January 15, 2020, 11:50:52 PM

At higher level bowling with a scrambled seam is meant to make the spin harder to read. At lower levels, it just comes out like that?

it suppose to be, at any level

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