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Staying side on
« on: February 10, 2020, 10:52:18 AM »
Morning all,

Does anyone have any tips for staying more side on? I noticed it last year I was being bowled through the gate by seamers even when i was set. I think it's because i can play quite inside out as my back hip comes through which naturally makes a pretty big gap between bat and pad.

Any tips/ drills to work on staying side on and bat coming through straight and close to the front pad? Things im working on to try and help are getting my hands closer to my hip and starting with my shoulder more closed off even with feet pointing to a straight ish mid on position. I score most of my runs through mid wicket- mid on and the goal here is to try and extend that round to a square cover which i really struggle to score through.

Cheers!
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2020, 11:42:12 AM »
I've previously had throwdowns with a cone on my foot. With the objective of hitting hard but not allowing the cone to move off my foot.

Try getting into your stance and having the partner place a cone on your backfoot. Then ask them to give you throwdowns (all on the front foot mind) If your back hip con inues to come round then the cone will come off.

Hope this helps - let us know how you get on.
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2020, 11:45:38 AM »
Keep your back foot pointing to point through your front foot shots and your alignment issues should go away.
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2020, 11:48:57 AM »
Quote from: jjelricksmith on February 10, 2020, 10:52:18 AM
Morning all,

Does anyone have any tips for staying more side on? I noticed it last year I was being bowled through the gate by seamers even when i was set. I think it's because i can play quite inside out as my back hip comes through which naturally makes a pretty big gap between bat and pad.

Any tips/ drills to work on staying side on and bat coming through straight and close to the front pad? Things im working on to try and help are getting my hands closer to my hip and starting with my shoulder more closed off even with feet pointing to a straight ish mid on position. I score most of my runs through mid wicket- mid on and the goal here is to try and extend that round to a square cover which i really struggle to score through.

Cheers!

I'm struggling to understand this - normally batsmen who play "inside out" are extravagantly side-on and have a tendency to stay inside the line and hit the ball primarily through the offside as a result. Maybe you're using the term differently.

is the problem - the angle that the bat is coming down? Or the location of the front foot relative to the line of the ball?
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2020, 11:53:40 AM »
Quote from: Buzz on February 10, 2020, 11:45:38 AM
Keep your back foot pointing to point through your front foot shots and your alignment issues should go away.

Out of curiosity, I just did an image search of "straight drive cricket" to see whether I could find evidence of any professionals that do this. I couldn't. Most look like this, with the back toe pointing in the same direction as the front toe:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=1ylpkUI4&id=99F04DAF4B440C7419CF5D4FF35BBBAF17CE86EE&thid=OIP.1ylpkUI4S2vs0ShdlOmn3QHaEo&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fsecure.i.telegraph.co.uk%2fmultimedia%2farchive%2f02336%2flyth_2336551b.jpg&exph=388&expw=620&q=straight+drive+cricket&simid=608007733217725663&selectedIndex=4

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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2020, 12:12:33 PM »
Quote from: SLA on February 10, 2020, 11:53:40 AM
Out of curiosity, I just did an image search of "straight drive cricket" to see whether I could find evidence of any professionals that do this. I couldn't. Most look like this, with the back toe pointing in the same direction as the front toe:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=1ylpkUI4&id=99F04DAF4B440C7419CF5D4FF35BBBAF17CE86EE&thid=OIP.1ylpkUI4S2vs0ShdlOmn3QHaEo&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fsecure.i.telegraph.co.uk%2fmultimedia%2farchive%2f02336%2flyth_2336551b.jpg&exph=388&expw=620&q=straight+drive+cricket&simid=608007733217725663&selectedIndex=4
Where did straight drives get mentioned? :)
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2020, 12:32:02 PM »
Quote from: edge on February 10, 2020, 12:12:33 PM
Where did straight drives get mentioned? :)

Its an example of a front foot shot.

If you prefer, I will happily google forward defence, sweep, cover drive, clip off legs, or any other front foot shot you care to name, I would suggest that the result is probably going to be the same.

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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2020, 12:45:29 PM »
Quote from: SLA on February 10, 2020, 11:53:40 AM
Out of curiosity, I just did an image search of "straight drive cricket" to see whether I could find evidence of any professionals that do this. I couldn't. Most look like this, with the back toe pointing in the same direction as the front toe:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=1ylpkUI4&id=99F04DAF4B440C7419CF5D4FF35BBBAF17CE86EE&thid=OIP.1ylpkUI4S2vs0ShdlOmn3QHaEo&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fsecure.i.telegraph.co.uk%2fmultimedia%2farchive%2f02336%2flyth_2336551b.jpg&exph=388&expw=620&q=straight+drive+cricket&simid=608007733217725663&selectedIndex=4

The difference is WHEN the back toe points down the pitch. If it’s during or after the shot, it doesn’t really matter... but if it’s before you’ve even begun to hit the ball (I have this issue), then you end up squaring up.
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2020, 01:08:16 PM »
Quote from: Buzz on February 10, 2020, 11:45:38 AM
Keep your back foot pointing to point through your front foot shots and your alignment issues should go away.

Yep think this is a pretty key aspect. My foot tends to roll over and looks more towards cover.
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2020, 01:59:09 PM »
Quote from: brokenbat on February 10, 2020, 12:45:29 PM
The difference is WHEN the back toe points down the pitch. If it’s during or after the shot, it doesn’t really matter... but if it’s before you’ve even begun to hit the ball (I have this issue), then you end up squaring up.

Ok I maybe agree. Although I don't think Gary Palmer would.

What exactly do you mean by squaring up?
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2020, 03:06:12 PM »
For someone who used to get LBW'ed (a lot) to pitches landing between middle and leg stump, becoming more front-on helped a lot - somewhat Gary Palmer style batting where toes point down to opposite stumps. If you tend to straighten up early, like I do,  then off-side shot options becomes limited. Unless, there is a lot of pace or ball is hard and new, it is very hard for me to cover drive a ball to the boundary.

Off-side is over-rated as a scoring option. So many batsmen get caught out on the off-side trying to play "pretty" cover drives when there are two fielders on the off or leg side. No wonder KP prefered on to the off side.
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2020, 03:08:00 PM »
Quote from: SLA on February 10, 2020, 01:59:09 PM


What exactly do you mean by squaring up?
don't you watch matches on TV? When commentators use term square him up.
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2020, 03:29:17 PM »
Quote from: jayralh on February 10, 2020, 03:08:00 PM
don't you watch matches on TV? When commentators use term square him up.

Obviously I've heard the term, I just wanted to know what you meant by it and how you felt it was related to the angle of your back toe when playing forward.
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2020, 05:04:54 PM »
Quote from: Buzz on February 10, 2020, 11:45:38 AM
Keep your back foot pointing to point through your front foot shots and your alignment issues should go away.

this link shows straight drive technique but the same principles apply for other front foot shots - https://youtu.be/StkCxAxkQDE
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Re: Staying side on
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2020, 08:22:54 PM »
Check out Gary Palmer's coaching.
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