Topic: Woman's World Cup in Aus (Read 10898 times)

Buzz · « **on:** February 21, 2020, 11:16:33 AM »

Big start for India beating hosts and favourites Australia in the opening match.
Going to be very difficult for Aus to qualify for the Semi final stage now as there are two groups of 5 with only the top 2 going through. In that group are NZ, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2020, 11:18:05 AM »

Australia lost? Oh, that�s a shame.

jdownesbcfc · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2020, 11:21:48 AM »

I'm not one to usually p*ss on the womens game, but this is pretty disheartening in a World Cup opener between two of the best sides

Poonam Yadav to Gardner, 1 no ball, what was that? Grubber, bounces twice, sneaks through the legs and rattles the timber. Gardner hangs on and chats to the umpire. Since it bounced twice before reaching the crease, it is a no-ball

Jimbo · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2020, 11:26:38 AM »

Quote from: jdownesbcfc on February 21, 2020, 11:21:48 AM

I'm not one to usually p*ss on the womens game, but this is pretty disheartening in a World Cup opener between two of the best sides

Poonam Yadav to Gardner, 1 no ball, what was that? Grubber, bounces twice, sneaks through the legs and rattles the timber. Gardner hangs on and chats to the umpire. Since it bounced twice before reaching the crease, it is a no-ball

Yadav is a super slow leggie IIRC, is it any worse than balls bowled in the men's game at the elite level that don't even land on the cut strip?

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2020, 11:44:53 AM »

I was having a discussion with some friends the other day about which sport has the most noticeable difference in quality between men and women. I suggested cricket, as it�s far slower in the women�s game, and just doesn�t look right as pretty much any �big� shot is a slog towards a much shorter boundary. I�m not slagging it off, the WC win against India was riveting stuff, but when a women�s team has a bad day it�s always a REALLY bad day.

Chompy9760 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2020, 11:51:09 AM »

Quote from: jdownesbcfc on February 21, 2020, 11:21:48 AM

I'm not one to usually p*ss on the womens game, but this is pretty disheartening in a World Cup opener between two of the best sides

Poonam Yadav to Gardner, 1 no ball, what was that? Grubber, bounces twice, sneaks through the legs and rattles the timber. Gardner hangs on and chats to the umpire. Since it bounced twice before reaching the crease, it is a no-ball

So she bowled a no-ball, which to be fair did keep low - why is that such a big deal?
Instead of focusing on that 1 ball, why not applaud the other 24 balls she bowled that rewarded her with 4/19, getting the best batters out and winning the game? There were some fantastic wrong-uns in there that nobody picked, and the lack of pace did everyone.

Chompy9760 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2020, 12:03:16 PM »

Quote from: SouthpawMark on February 21, 2020, 11:44:53 AM

I was having a discussion with some friends the other day about which sport has the most noticeable difference in quality between men and women. I suggested cricket, as it�s far slower in the women�s game, and just doesn�t look right as pretty much any �big� shot is a slog towards a much shorter boundary. I�m not slagging it off, the WC win against India was riveting stuff, but when a women�s team has a bad day it�s always a REALLY bad day.

You need to watch Sophie Devine a bit more. She can clear any fence, on any oval, in any direction!
We should appreciate Womens cricket for what it is, and try not to compare it to the men's game.
The Women's game has come a long way, but not every country can throw the same ammount of money at it as India / England / Aus. I applaud Thailand for getting to the world cup but think they might have a tough time.

KettonJake · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2020, 12:04:21 PM »

I feel like it is often some unfortunate timing that doesn't help.

As eluded to, she bowled really well aside from a rancid double bouncer, but this will be what gets highlighted.
Last year I watched highlights of Eng v West Indies at Grace Road. Just before the 1st ball of the day, Isa Guha is on commentary bigging up the West Indian bowlers as the best pace lineup in the world. Almost inevitably the first ball was absolute slop, a really slow, loopy full bunger which the England opener climbed into, if it didn't go for six it wasn't far off, she walloped it!

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2020, 12:15:40 PM »

Quote from: Chompy9760 on February 21, 2020, 12:03:16 PM

You need to watch Sophie Devine a bit more. She can clear any fence, on any oval, in any direction!
We should appreciate Womens cricket for what it is, and try not to compare it to the men's game.
The Women's game has come a long way, but not every country can throw the same ammount of money at it as India / England / Aus. I applaud Thailand for getting to the world cup but think they might have a tough time.

I just typed her name in to YouTube and watched her hit 5 sixes in a row. Very impressive. The ones on the leg side were huuuge!

jdownesbcfc · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2020, 12:50:49 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on February 21, 2020, 11:26:38 AM

Yadav is a super slow leggie IIRC, is it any worse than balls bowled in the men's game at the elite level that don't even land on the cut strip?

It's the whole play I am criticising, not just the bowling itself (which is bad enough).

Getting "out" to a ball that bounced twice before the crease and the subsequent confusion that followed as to whether it was legitimately out or not is amateurish. Fully aware it's "woke" to defend womens cricket, I'd hazard a guess I watch more women's cricket than 95% of people on this forum, but blindly defending every play of it is part of the problem.

I probably watch 300+ "top level" T20 games a year, and I can say with reasonable certainty I've not seen a double bounce delivery get a wicket. Let alone at the showpiece of a T20 World Cup opener between 2 of the best sides.

The rest of her figures look great, and I believe she won player of the match, so fair play to her for that, but that delivery was a shambles and I'd expect she'd admit it too.

Jimbo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2020, 12:52:13 PM »

The women's game will never be exactly the same ad the men's, but then how many men have the physical attributes of a top men's T20 player?

The biggest issue, IMO, is still the drop off in quality from the top players to the rest of their teams. Once more money and time goes into developing professional women's players then the overall standard will rise and you'll have much more engaging competitive cricket.

jdownesbcfc · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2020, 12:57:39 PM »

Quote from: Chompy9760 on February 21, 2020, 11:51:09 AM

So she bowled a no-ball, which to be fair did keep low - why is that such a big deal?
Instead of focusing on that 1 ball, why not applaud the other 24 balls she bowled that rewarded her with 4/19, getting the best batters out and winning the game? There were some fantastic wrong-uns in there that nobody picked, and the lack of pace did everyone.

See my previous reply, it's the whole play that was embarrassing.

I didn't watch all of this game today (I have 2 PSL games to watch instead with a slight clash and time constraints), but for me it's absurd how defensive people get about women's cricket when anybody criticises any aspect of it. When Denly dropped that dolly in the Ashes, nobody said, "don't talk about that, look at his other great fielding in the match", it's a flashpoint and can and should be legitimately discussed. Joe will have been disappointed with it, as should Yadav.

jdownesbcfc · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2020, 01:02:44 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on February 21, 2020, 12:52:13 PM

The women's game will never be exactly the same ad the men's, but then how many men have the physical attributes of a top men's T20 player?

The biggest issue, IMO, is still the drop off in quality from the top players to the rest of their teams. Once more money and time goes into developing professional women's players then the overall standard will rise and you'll have much more engaging competitive cricket.

Agree entirely, it's good to be open and honest about this, the difference in physical attributes will always cause a gulf, particularly in the batting. The problem is when people are obtuse about this and make claims such as Sarah Taylor being the best wicket keeper in the world, mens or womens.

And I'd be inclined to agree again, the standard is clearly improving year on year which is great and some of the franchise leagues (particularly the WBBL IMO) are competitive and enjoyable and leads to further development worldwide. Hopefully things like this WC can kick cricket on in the lesser developed nations and we'll see an even higher standard going forward.

FWIW - I'd like to see more Hundred and Blast games as double headers (womens first then mens or vice versa), as it will familiarise women to playing in front of bigger crowds at more established stadiums, and has more chance of engaging passing fans to become followers of the women's game.

Psi · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2020, 01:09:50 PM »

I'm not bothered about the no ball. Didn't one of the men's pros develop a special 2 bounce delivery a few years back that got people out a lot? (before the rules changed).

I like watching women's cricket, but I don't find it very useful technically because it's all about gently lofted sweeps and slogs to long on, not many good ground shots or straight shots. The bowling looks quite slow, but I'm sure the pace would challenge decent club players. Maybe long format games are different from a stroke making perspective though, I haven't seen many of those

SD · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2020, 01:40:41 PM »

Quote from: jdownesbcfc on February 21, 2020, 12:57:39 PM

See my previous reply, it's the whole play that was embarrassing.

I didn't watch all of this game today (I have 2 PSL games to watch instead with a slight clash and time constraints), but for me it's absurd how defensive people get about women's cricket when anybody criticises any aspect of it. When Denly dropped that dolly in the Ashes, nobody said, "don't talk about that, look at his other great fielding in the match", it's a flashpoint and can and should be legitimately discussed. Joe will have been disappointed with it, as should Yadav.

The salient point with the Denly incident is that no one tried to extrapolate that one-off moment of poor cricket to pass judgment on the overall standard of the game

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