Topic: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July (Read 49881 times)

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #150 on:** May 29, 2020, 03:32:07 PM »

Quote from: SLA on May 29, 2020, 03:28:56 PM

Can you not read? I've said this 3 times now. Only asymptotic players attend, which at an upper bound is 50%. So divide your 2.2 by half, admit I was correct in the first place, and apologise.

So you're ok with someone who is asymptomatic passing it onto 21 other people?

IT IS NOT WORTH THAT RISK!

SLA · « **Reply #151 on:** May 29, 2020, 03:33:53 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on May 29, 2020, 03:32:07 PM

So you're ok with someone who is asymptomatic passing it onto 21 other people?

IT IS NOT WORTH THAT RISK!

There is no risk. Probability of transmission is zero. Ffs stop shouting and actually take the time to read up on the science.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #152 on:** May 29, 2020, 03:36:31 PM »

Quote from: SLA on May 29, 2020, 03:33:53 PM

There is no risk. Probability of transmission is zero. Ffs stop shouting and actually take the time to read up on the science.

Another fine example of the attitude that allowed things to get to this state in the first place...

SLA · « **Reply #153 on:** May 29, 2020, 03:38:53 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on May 29, 2020, 03:36:31 PM

Another fine example of the attitude that allowed things to get to this state in the first place...

Indeed. People shouting their mouths off without taking the time to do the relevant research has been a problem for many years now. It seems particularly acute on this forum.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #154 on:** May 29, 2020, 03:50:45 PM »

But there will be risk, it just takes one person that's the point your missing, I know two people who have contracted it both were lucky and had fairly mild symptoms but both were social distancing and followed all the government guidance from the outset and are both fairly cautious people anyway.

It doesn't take a lot to contract even with all the measures in place!

Look, we all miss cricket and are pleased to now be bale to net (maybe in small groups soon) but rushing back too soon would be stupid and to say it's safe now is insane!

I've done my research, I know the data and I know the facts! This is the reason I had to postpone my wedding and honeymoon I'm not happy to put myself or my other half at risk yet! If you are @SLA go for it pal but you'd be daft to!

SLA · « **Reply #155 on:** May 29, 2020, 03:52:46 PM »

This very much reminds me of the social distancing thread, where I claimed that that:

cricket could easily be made safe by social distancing protocols
the risk of transmission was significantly lower outside
the risk of cross-infection via the ball was actually very small
protocols would be brought in to introduce hand sanitisers for fielders, and wicket-keepers would be told not to stand within 1m of the stumps

Everyone called me a moron, said these were ridiculous claims, and that I didn't know what I was talking about. But since then:

Sir Jeremy Farrar of SAGE agreed with me

�Cricket lends itself to this better than many other sports,� he said. �If you take a cricket game

cricket game and think sensibly: how can we still have a game which respects some of the physical distancing measures that make sense: hand-washing between overs, not spitting on the ball, using umpires from the teams to reduce the number of people, changing at home and going to the ground.
�You can think through a game from early in the morning to stumps and come up logically with a plan in the context of physical distancing which wouldn�t ruin the game.
�I think you could do that and have games potentially played in July and August.

https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/sage_expert_sir_jeremy_farrar_cricket_return_august_coronavirus_covid-19.html

Dr Bharat Pankhania, a senior clinical lecturer in infectious disease control at the University of Exeter’s College of Medicine and Health agreed with me that: “The possibility of a ball carrying infection is remote, remote. It may have infectious saliva on it, but I don’t think the ball is infectious. It’s out in the open air, a drying-out environment, which is perfect.

https://www.wisden.com/stories/your-game/club-cricket/disease-specialist-deems-playing-cricket-low-risk-activity-for-spreading-coronavirus

The ICC have introduced hand sanitising stations for fielders and this is now being widely proposed by various cricket journalists, and apparently the league in Norway has imposed a 1m rule for wicket-keepers @Kulli.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29213456/leg-shakes-punching-ground-cricket-gets-used-new-normal

alba caerulea · « **Reply #156 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:05:05 PM »

Quote from: csnew on May 29, 2020, 09:33:25 AM

Makes you wonder who plunkett upset to be treated like he has

He certainly upset the kiwi middle order on July 14th 2019 @csnew

SLA · « **Reply #157 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:10:26 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on May 29, 2020, 03:50:45 PM

But there will be risk, it just takes one person that's the point your missing, I know two people who have contracted it both were lucky and had fairly mild symptoms but both were social distancing and followed all the government guidance from the outset and are both fairly cautious people anyway.

It doesn't take a lot to contract even with all the measures in place!

Look, we all miss cricket and are pleased to now be bale to net (maybe in small groups soon) but rushing back too soon would be stupid and to say it's safe now is insane!

I've done my research, I know the data and I know the facts! This is the reason I had to postpone my wedding and honeymoon I'm not happy to put myself or my other half at risk yet! If you are @SLA go for it pal but you'd be daft to!

There's a risk doing anything. There's a risk every time you leave the house. There's a risk every time you walk down the stairs. The important point isn't whether there isn't any risk, the point is how the risk/benefits stack up in comparison to other activities.

Cricket is significantly less risky (and almost certainly better for you) than:

going to the shops
getting a takeaway meal
going for a drive
cutting your own hair
sending your kids back to school
taking the bus
taking a taxi
going in to work
having people round for a bbq who then pop in and use your loo

We're soon going to get to the point in about a month's time where cricket is going to be basically the ONLY thing we can't do, despite being one of the safest activities possible.

As of three days time you'll be legally able to go to a park with 100s of people and play cricket with a tennis ball with 5 of your mates, how can that possibly be safer?

I'm not moaning because I miss cricket, I'm moaning because there has been a huge amount of scientific research undertaken and published and yet everyone seems to be totally ignorant of it, the useless bastards at the ECB included.

Buzz · « **Reply #158 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:42:58 PM »

@SLA for almost every country in the world right now I would agree with you.
However, in the UK and US, the leadership and plans in the UK are horrendous and they have mucked it up.

So we are where we are with this.

Kez · « **Reply #159 on:** May 29, 2020, 04:51:54 PM »

I don�t get the two ends of the spectrum that are being operated on. The early self imposed lock down and then extreme eagerness to get playing cricket again.

There is a �risk�. And it purely depends on the level of risk you are willing to take.
No one has dealt with any issue like this before. Therefore we don�t have a clue what the best course of action is. And the ECB will be cautious over the steps taken. Because they don�t want to held accountable for anything.
And at the end of the day the politicians will be doing the thing that will get the re-elected.

Jimbo · « **Reply #160 on:** May 29, 2020, 05:16:25 PM »

Depends where you are in the UK. In Scotland we've only just been allowed to meet people outside our household and no cricket of any kind for at least another three weeks.

ppccopener · « **Reply #161 on:** May 29, 2020, 05:38:38 PM »

Yeah Jimbo just reading thru some of the different comments on this particular thread I can't see one rule covering everyone as return comes for ameteur sport.

But reading the comments where quotes and 'facts' are used to enforce one side of a point I can only presume what part of the Country you are in has influenced people's views.

In London, as I am, whilst I personally would be happy to play cricket soon, there is a very real risk, the transport network is more crowded than other parts of the Country and the sheer number of people crammed into the city presents huge problems.

Coupled with risk and responsibility as quoted by @Kez above - it's a bit like a perfect storm of a problem.

Quite how the post 'bastards' describing the ECB as SLA has done got thru without being edited is a real head scratcher judging by the amount of other threads getting shut down.

End of the day, things are moving in the right direction for us ameteurs and much as we love cricket and are passionate about it -it's just a game

Th are bigger things to worry about at the moment.

I hope this post has come across as balanced which is my intention.

cricketbadger · « **Reply #162 on:** May 29, 2020, 05:40:03 PM »

I wrote the season off about 6 weeks ago, isnt worth the pain or worry about when and if we would be able to play again. Just cant see it happening, and even if they manage to squeeze some in it just wont be the same

On another note I am keen to know when will SLA be running for Prime Minister?

Jimbo · « **Reply #163 on:** May 29, 2020, 05:55:29 PM »

I'd agree that cricket is just a game but more widely I think it has been underestimated how important the social and support aspect of sports clubs is to a lot of people. Not cricket related but a bloke I work with has had to go back on to anti depressants since lockdown, in part because he has been cut off from his friends and support network at his athletics club.

shadowlight · « **Reply #164 on:** May 29, 2020, 06:24:41 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on May 29, 2020, 05:38:38 PM

Yeah Jimbo just reading thru some of the different comments on this particular thread I can't see one rule covering everyone as return comes for ameteur sport.

But reading the comments where quotes and 'facts' are used to enforce one side of a point I can only presume what part of the Country you are in has influenced people's views.

In London, as I am, whilst I personally would be happy to play cricket soon, there is a very real risk, the transport network is more crowded than other parts of the Country and the sheer number of people crammed into the city presents huge problems.

Coupled with risk and responsibility as quoted by @Kez above - it's a bit like a perfect storm of a problem.

Quite how the post 'bastards' describing the ECB as SLA has done got thru without being edited is a real head scratcher judging by the amount of other threads getting shut down.

End of the day, things are moving in the right direction for us ameteurs and much as we love cricket and are passionate about it -it's just a game

Th are bigger things to worry about at the moment.

I hope this post has come across as balanced which is my intention.

I have to agree here. I am in similar situation but located in NJ, USA. What might work for folks in Florida/Georgia/Texas is not going to apply for NJ/NY/CT area due to population density. As of right now the Governor of NJ is likely to open up amateur sports around July 6th or so.

It's going to come down to individual risk tolerance on the risk that are willing to accept.

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