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Re: Soulman’s sticks
« Reply #165 on: March 29, 2021, 12:52:54 PM »

So with my 3rd child due in July Iv been thinking of a new shape for a while. For those that don’t know the two current stick shapes I make are named after my children and year or birth. So this will be the ??21

Based on a traditional edge shape and also offering a spine into toe option.

Any thoughts or comments on this shape?


Looks lovely to me.  Nicely bowed, almost classical profile.  What are your thoughts about the offset between the spine and edges - does it make a noticeable difference to the sweet spot?
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« Reply #166 on: March 29, 2021, 01:05:10 PM »

Looks a nice shape that Soulman, nice and flowy even if it's a big high middle for my tastes!

Shouldn't derail the thread really, but the shape of a bat definitely has an affect on how it responds in different areas - that really shouldn't be up for debate.

That isn’t what he’s saying I don’t think, I think he is suggesting that the shape doesn’t change the overall playing area, there will obviously be one spot (where the most mass is) that feels the best, but in general, the playing area that performs nicely, remains the same.
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« Reply #167 on: March 29, 2021, 02:08:44 PM »

The more the weight more power, 2lb 9oz is classed as light weight.

Absolute nonsense. There is no correlation between the weight of a bat and it’s power at all.
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« Reply #168 on: March 29, 2021, 02:13:25 PM »

My point was in simple terms that the bat is split into three parts.

Toe Area - totally dead and has no performance impact
Splice Area - again dead and has no performance impact.
Playing area - the section between the two pint mentioned above and overall is the total playing area should offer performance and value for your shots. Now the swell can be moved around within this area and to a point it will have a “sweet spot” that just feels the best area of t he playing area. However by and large there is no real thing as low middle vs a high middle in my opinion. If you play ok a real low bouncing track there is an argument for the swell to be lower but that’s not the middle or playing area being lower it’s just the swell is lower.

Hope that makes sense
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« Reply #169 on: March 29, 2021, 02:24:26 PM »

What's the difference between middle and swell? According to you then?🤔
Swell is the middle as well, because bulk of the willow is there, higher or lower area, would be pingy as well but not more the where that swell is.
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« Reply #170 on: March 29, 2021, 02:26:29 PM »

Absolute nonsense. There is no correlation between the weight of a bat and it’s power at all.
You'll have to find it out then!
What's the heaviest weight bat have you used?
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« Reply #171 on: March 29, 2021, 02:40:45 PM »

What's the difference between middle and swell? According to you then?🤔
Swell is the middle as well, because bulk of the willow is there, higher or lower area, would be pingy as well but not more the where that swell is.

The swell is the bulk of wood in the bat, this impacts the balance of a bat in my opinion. The “Middle” is what I call the playing area of the bat. I’ll show this on a cleft a bit later as that maybe easier to explain My point or way of thinking.
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« Reply #172 on: March 29, 2021, 02:42:47 PM »

You'll have to find it out then!
What's the heaviest weight bat have you used?

On a consistent basis 2.12/2.13 but over the last 5 years or so I’m down to between 2.9 and 2.10 but these are no less powerful and I hit the ball no less further or score no less runs and still avg about the same as I did with a heavier bat.

No two bats ever feel the same to me though
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« Reply #173 on: March 29, 2021, 02:55:38 PM »

The swell is the bulk of wood in the bat, this impacts the balance of a bat in my opinion. The “Middle” is what I call the playing area of the bat. I’ll show this on a cleft a bit later as that maybe easier to explain My point or way of thinking.
You're calling playing area, middle of the bat, while traditionally, we call middle of the bat where the swell is, that's where we try to hit the ball from, to get it as far as possible.
When Commentators say, " middled it", they don't mean that the ball is hit on it's playing but on it's swell, this is why ball races to the boundary.
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Re: Soulman’s sticks
« Reply #174 on: March 29, 2021, 05:02:06 PM »

You're calling playing area, middle of the bat, while traditionally, we call middle of the bat where the swell is, that's where we try to hit the ball from, to get it as far as possible.
When Commentators say, " middled it", they don't mean that the ball is hit on it's playing but on it's swell, this is why ball races to the boundary.

Actually they mean it came front the middle of the face rather than the edge.

I don't think the commentators note which player has a high swell or a low swell, then takes note of where the ball hits in relation to that.

It's quite a simple concept, if you don't overthink it...
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« Reply #175 on: March 29, 2021, 07:10:01 PM »

It's a nice looking profile and I could happily play with it.

Regarding middles, I find the size of the sweetspot/middle is probably more important to me than the theoretical middle (peak spine). I play mostly off the back foot and tend to hit a little higher up the blade as a result but have bats with a lower middle that really suit me as they have large sweetspots and are really well balanced.

At the end of the day.... you know when you are middling it and most often if you aren't it will be down to either great bowling, poor timing, dodgy pitch etc. Rarely is it down to the wrong bat profile but more likely the wrong weight affecting timing if anything bat related.
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« Reply #176 on: March 29, 2021, 09:55:27 PM »

It's a nice looking profile and I could happily play with it.

Regarding middles, I find the size of the sweetspot/middle is probably more important to me than the theoretical middle (peak spine). I play mostly off the back foot and tend to hit a little higher up the blade as a result but have bats with a lower middle that really suit me as they have large sweetspots and are really well balanced.

At the end of the day.... you know when you are middling it and most often if you aren't it will be down to either great bowling, poor timing, dodgy pitch etc. Rarely is it down to the wrong bat profile but more likely the wrong weight affecting timing if anything bat related.
Which bat and weight do you use? It's interesting interesting to know a low middle bat that plays well on the back foot.
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« Reply #177 on: March 29, 2021, 10:22:09 PM »

Which bat and weight do you use? It's interesting interesting to know a low middle bat that plays well on the back foot.

If you ever get the chance before a match clean the bat blade as well as possible and have a look where most of the ball marks are on your bat. I reckon you will be surprised and will be a little higher than you possibly imagine. Could be wrong but certainly the main reason why I don’t offer a real low swell profile on my range as standard.
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« Reply #178 on: March 29, 2021, 11:14:53 PM »

I think it is great to see a range of profiles.  For what its worth, I think that the profile does make a difference.

When I first started using senior bats in the late 90s, bats generally had much lower middles than they do now.  This is my first SH bat.  It has a very low middle and a very thick toe compared to what you see on most modern bats.





I don't think that playing conditions have changed such that there has been a need to vastly alter the profile of bats.  For me, it came with a trend to using lighter bats and towards bats with bigger edges.  The compromise for this was first higher middles and concaving and then more recently duck bill toes. 

Personally, I prefer a lower middle.  No doubt you will hit balls higher up the bat when you are defending and pulling and cutting where you are deflecting the pace on the ball.  But you need the most power when you are planting the ball back over the bowlers head when you are hitting the ball low down the bat and for that I prefer to see the biggest part of the middle to be in that area.

Luckily as someone who uses heavy bats, I can opt for a lower middle, with big edges and without concaving but otherwise you have to make compromises.

Congratulations on the imminent arrival!
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Re: Soulman’s sticks
« Reply #179 on: March 30, 2021, 05:00:32 AM »

If you ever get the chance before a match clean the bat blade as well as possible and have a look where most of the ball marks are on your bat. I reckon you will be surprised and will be a little higher than you possibly imagine. Could be wrong but certainly the main reason why I don’t offer a real low swell profile on my range as standard.
Soulman, I don't disagree on this.
Since I realised this I started looking for lighter, higher middle bats with driving power, luckily I got a few now, but it took long time to find them.

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