Topic: England�s international summer (Read 123789 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #540 on:** July 20, 2020, 07:33:48 PM »

Quote from: billyb on July 20, 2020, 07:30:41 PM

It's time for the great Third Test Selection Debate.
I expect a whole lot of nonsense with a side of judgement and indignation from all of you. Don't let CBF down!

Yep just about to post this.

It�s going to need some thinking. It�s a must win game but who do you leave out?

There is a good argument not to change a winning team.

billyb · « **Reply #541 on:** July 20, 2020, 07:35:27 PM »

I'm not convinced by Stokes. Bowls too slow. One for the future maybe.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #542 on:** July 20, 2020, 07:44:12 PM »

Some good problems on the seam bowling selection for sure. Curran and Woakes wouldnt be in most peoples first 11s but both contributed here.

As its a decider I think England should go with their strongest line up, assuming everyone is fit. Which in England would probably be Broad, Anderson and one of Wood/Archer. Probably Archer. Certainly lengthens the tail that a slight downside.

Manormanic · « **Reply #543 on:** July 20, 2020, 08:19:13 PM »

I reckon the seamers you could fire off 10 different credible permutations, and Buttler won't get dropped until Smith pays the ransom so a much more interesting question. What would you do if Stokes was not declared fit to bowl?

alba caerulea · « **Reply #544 on:** July 20, 2020, 08:28:07 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on July 20, 2020, 08:19:13 PM

I reckon the seamers you could fire off 10 different credible permutations, and Buttler won't get dropped until Smith pays the ransom so a much more interesting question. What would you do if Stokes was not declared fit to bowl?

If Stokes isnt fit to bowl you either gamble on 3 seamers and the spinner backed up by root or drop a batsman to get one of Curran or Woakes in at 7. Think Id do the former with Anderson and Archer and Wood well rested.

Or even potentially drop bess and have root as your spinner. Harsh but possible

What would you do? From within the current squad of course

shadowlight · « **Reply #545 on:** July 20, 2020, 08:58:24 PM »

Congratulation England. Looking forward to the 3rd test.

I will take a crack at the teams for the 3rd test.

England: Burns, Sibley, Crawley, Root, Stokes, Pope, Buttler (last test to perform, to be replaced by Foakes against Pakistan if he fails. I like him as a player but he needs to deliver), Bess, Wood/Archer (I admit that Archer's misjudgement is being held against him plus he runs hot and cold for me when bowling), Broad, Anderson/Woakes (if Anderson is not 100% fit)

WI: Brathwaite, Campbell (I would like to drop him but unable to find a replacement opening bat or even extra batsmen in the squad) , Hope, Brooks, Chase, Blackwood, Dorwich, Holder, Roach, Joseph, Gabriel/Cornwall/Reifer/Chemar Holder (I am afraid of Gabriel breaking down, so would go with one of the other bowlers)

potzy248 · « **Reply #546 on:** July 20, 2020, 09:12:46 PM »

Very fickle supporters of England.
- Loss or draw looks likely - batters too slow, bowlers very poor, people who support slower strike rates silent, WI decent side who should push England.
- Bowler in question takes a few wickets - what a champion
- England win game - silent supporters of under fire bowlers and batsman suddenly find a voice again, WI number 8 test playing nation and did well to push England, English pride restored.

I'm exactly the same with my national teams and I'm not proud of it.

ppccopener · « **Reply #547 on:** July 20, 2020, 09:14:55 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on July 20, 2020, 08:28:07 PM

If Stokes isnt fit to bowl you either gamble on 3 seamers and the spinner backed up by root or drop a batsman to get one of Curran or Woakes in at 7. Think Id do the former with Anderson and Archer and Wood well rested.

Or even potentially drop bess and have root as your spinner. Harsh but possible

What would you do? From within the current squad of course

Stokes is fit looks like it was precautionary. I generally say don't change a winning team but that would leave out Anderson who is our best bowler

as @Manormanic says..we could have different seamers probably with the same result..

Archer and Wood don't play and unsure whether Bess or Leach would be best. Bess has a lot potential and long term he would be best I think, in a one off match Leach turning away from the right handers could work and it will turn.

To get Anderson in and all bowlers we could drop a batsman...or replace Woakes for Jimmy....and I think Woakes is a terrific bowler in our conditions.

My selection has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese but that's the best I can come up with.

DiscoStu · « **Reply #548 on:** July 21, 2020, 09:15:30 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on July 20, 2020, 08:19:13 PM

I reckon the seamers you could fire off 10 different credible permutations, and Buttler won't get dropped until Smith pays the ransom so a much more interesting question. What would you do if Stokes was not declared fit to bowl?

Batsmen still stay the same. TMS were saying next pitch looks dry so Root will bowl a bit more and take up many of the Stokes overs. I think Bess is the better of the two spinners in the squad but Leach offers the variation to Root so he gets the shout. Jimmy comes back and Woakes beats out Curran. Broad stays. Jofra and Wood sit out again. I'm toying with the idea of Pope sitting out to get either Curran or Wood back in but I don't trust Buttler with the bat yet so he stays.

Burns Sibley Crawley Root Stokes Pope Buttler Woakes Broad Leach Anderson

six and out · « **Reply #549 on:** July 21, 2020, 09:34:20 AM »

I do love a CBF selection and the 3rd test has so many possibilities among the bowlers!

I think the batters will stay the same, and is last chance saloon for Buttler.

Then the bowlers really depends on fitness (including Stokes). So could really be quite a few combinations.

Bess vs Leach is an interesting debate, as I thought Bess was struggling a little until he got Holder in the 2nd innings, but I can't see them changing things.

For me, Broad has to play, Anderson comes in and then it is a real toss of a coin between Archer and Woakes and it may depend on the wicket and Stokes fitness to bowl.

ppccopener · « **Reply #550 on:** July 21, 2020, 10:15:50 AM »

Interesting a couple of us have Archer sitting out,that�s the way I would go.

Bess and Leach is tricky, for a one off game do you go with the guy who has been bowling or throw someone in with no cricket behind them?
I�m just going with Bess I think.

mo_town · « **Reply #551 on:** July 21, 2020, 11:56:40 AM »

The stark contrast when it comes to selection headaches is incredible between the two teams. I dont see any competition for places in this Windies squad. Their XI is the best they have and any changes will be a risk. England are blessed to have so much competition for all spots!

Mpt7 · « **Reply #552 on:** July 21, 2020, 12:02:31 PM »

top 7 is pretty set for friday.

question is do they rotate the quicks. best bowlers are probably Anderson, Broad, Archer, Woakes, Wood then Curran in that order

only issue is ABA are all proper bowlers, i.e. they can't bat. which means you have to pick Bess Curran or Woakes in that no 8 spot.

the question then becomes, to balance the team, as Bess at 8 is too high - do you leave out Anderson for Woakes...

six and out · « **Reply #553 on:** July 21, 2020, 12:03:49 PM »

Quote from: mo_town on July 21, 2020, 11:56:40 AM

The stark contrast when it comes to selection headaches is incredible between the two teams. I dont see any competition for places in this Windies squad. Their XI is the best they have and any changes will be a risk. England are blessed to have so much competition for all spots!

Regarding the WI, I can see Cornwall coming in for Gabriel as he looked like he was struggling in this test let alone another 1 back to back. That would give them a designated spinner on what should be a turning track.

I don't think there is anyone for the batting.

ppccopener · « **Reply #554 on:** July 21, 2020, 01:13:28 PM »

Archer cleared to be available for selection for Friday.

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