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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2020, 05:51:20 PM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on November 17, 2020, 05:08:25 PM
have to admit to finding lvl 2 utterly pointless and a total waste of time. Lvl 3 is marginally better but still not very good. It's all sadly just for tick boxing, as long as you look at it like that it's fine. If you actually want to be a good coach you might as well just not bother as you won't really learn anything new unless you know little to nothing to start with.

just my opinion and I'm sure ECB lovers will disagree as they do love a good qualification
Im not sure why you bother with Cricket, you barely have anything positive to say
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2020, 05:54:37 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 17, 2020, 05:48:22 PM
So what if bowlers don't want to run in straight? You wouldn't believe the regimented way this is being taught. Only Archer of England's bowlers would get through the tunnel of cones that I routinely being set up by 'coaches'.

Part of my concerns exactly mate. Around the world we see some of the most effective players have quite unorthodox actions. Bumrah, Rashid K, Tahir, Tanvir, Malinga, Wasim, Mujeeb, Green all spring to mind from a bowling perspective.

There’s definite value in technique steers of course, but I often worry about the ‘technique above all else’ mantra we try and instill sometimes. It’s certainly not helped by analysis too which often focuses solely on failings (which any technique will have).
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2020, 05:58:59 PM »
"If you run straight, the ball goes straight!" No, it doesn't. The ball goes where your hand goes.
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2020, 06:04:02 PM »
Quote from: jdownesbcfc on November 17, 2020, 05:54:37 PM
Part of my concerns exactly mate. Around the world we see some of the most effective players have quite unorthodox actions. Bumrah, Rashid K, Tahir, Tanvir, Malinga, Wasim, Mujeeb, Green all spring to mind from a bowling perspective.

There’s definite value in technique steers of course, but I often worry about the ‘technique above all else’ mantra we try and instill sometimes. It’s certainly not helped by analysis too which often focuses solely on failings (which any technique will have).

This is what coaching in a couple of other sports has taught me. A good coach makes suggestions, not demands, based on their opinion on how problems they've identified could be fixed. In a sport like cricket, the goal should be finding a (legal) method that works, not a method that looks good or fits the textbook.
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2020, 06:27:34 PM »
A cricket coach who's never heard that an off-spinner pivots on his front foot?  For example.
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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2020, 08:29:37 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 17, 2020, 04:20:17 PM
For starters, it's depressing how little people have to know about cricket to be a cricket coach nowadays.  The ECB have clearly lowered the bar to address concerns about participation levels and justify prostituting themselves to Sky.  There is much scope for conflicting, and downright bad, information being passed onto kids and developing players.

The coaching process has to start somewhere! Only a few years ago the Level 2 was the limit for the non ex pro wanting to make their way in coaching at least now we as normal people can access the level 3 Advanced coaching course!
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2020, 08:31:58 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 17, 2020, 05:58:59 PM
"If you run straight, the ball goes straight!" No, it doesn't. The ball goes where your hand goes.

Agreed but if you don't run straight your alignment and momentum is going in a different direction to where you want the ball to go!!
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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2020, 09:03:21 AM »
Quote from: Butterfingerz on November 18, 2020, 08:31:58 AM
Agreed but if you don't run straight your alignment and momentum is going in a different direction to where you want the ball to go!!

Not true.  Do dancers only dance in straight lines? Would a footballer run in a straight line to kick a football? Are our bodies shaped in straight lines?
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2020, 09:08:08 AM »
Quote from: Butterfingerz on November 18, 2020, 08:31:58 AM
Agreed but if you don't run straight your alignment and momentum is going in a different direction to where you want the ball to go!!

You used to need more knowledge and undersranding of cricket to get a coaching qualification. Or so  I've been told.
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2020, 09:17:31 AM »
A bowler bowling with side-on action (this hasn't been banned yet!) has to turn fully 90 degrees as he jumps if he runs in straight. So not really very aligned or beneficial to momentum?
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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2020, 09:27:58 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 18, 2020, 09:17:31 AM
A bowler bowling with side-on action (this hasn't been banned yet!) has to turn fully 90 degrees as he jumps if he runs in straight. So not really very aligned or beneficial to momentum?

This is a stupid argument. It’s basic biomechanics, and a fairly basic premise of bowling, the more of your body mass and momentum you can get going towards the target, the better. For example, If your head falls over to the offside when you bat then you’ll get out a lot, if your head falls over when you bowl, you’ll bowl a lot of rubbish.

Dancers aren’t trying to release a ball in a straight line, footballers don’t run in a straight line so they can give themselves access to a stationary ball and creat a swing arc with their foot, not something relevant to bowling again.
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2020, 09:34:55 AM »
Quote from: LEACHY48 on November 18, 2020, 09:27:58 AM
This is a stupid argument. It’s basic biomechanics, and a fairly basic premise of bowling, the more of your body mass and momentum you can get going towards the target, the better. If your head falls over to the offside when you bat then you’ll get out a lot, if your head falls over when you bowl, you’ll bowl a lot of rubbish.

But you've just done a big twist in the air? For me, momentum, and other good stuff you've mentioned, comes the from back foot landing in a strong  and stable position from where it can push-off most effectively towards the target.
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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2020, 09:43:26 AM »
Quote from: LEACHY48 on November 18, 2020, 09:27:58 AM
Dancers aren’t trying to release a ball in a straight line, footballers don’t run in a straight line so they can give themselves access to a stationary ball and creat a swing arc with their foot, not something relevant to bowling aga

Dancers can change direction without the momentum or strength of their last move being compromised.

Footballers kick using a natural arc. The natural arc of a bowling action is across the body.
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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2020, 09:52:59 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 18, 2020, 09:34:55 AM
But you've just done a big twist in the air? For me, momentum, and other good stuff you've mentioned, comes the from back foot landing in a strong  and stable position from where it can push-off most effectively towards the target.

When your back foot pushes off towards the target what happens? Your body mass and momentum travels down the pitch towards the target. However you achieve that is irrelevant. Run in spinning if you want to, but at the time of delivery you have to be going towards your target.

But again, dancers aren’t pushing anything towards a target.

You’ve just reaffirmed my point and the point that the level 2 is trying to install, the more of you thy goes towards the target, the better. Yes some kids might want to run in from mid off because they want to be Ryan sidebottom, but generally a straighter run up makes it easier to plant your back foot and get your momentum towards the target.

You’re taking issue with the sentiment of run in straight, when it’s actually trying to achieve the same end goal that you have just admitted is important.
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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2020, 10:40:45 AM »
So you've admitted that is not necessarily only one way to achieve this optimum momentum towards target? Fantastic!

My problem with Level 2 wasn't specifically about straight run ups. But can coaches please stop putting those stupid cone tunnels down now?
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