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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #195 on: January 16, 2021, 11:28:05 AM »

I dont think he looked out of his depth at any point, quite the opposite in fact - very comfortable.

Something noone seems to have picked up on with Lawrence was that it would have been really easy on debut to try and overhit some of the filthier stuff he faced yesterday, but he didn't do that. He was calm and took what was on offer.
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« Reply #196 on: January 16, 2021, 11:41:57 AM »

Great take from buttler
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« Reply #197 on: January 16, 2021, 12:53:54 PM »

Test match cricket isn’t the place to get overs under your belt. Leach selection is a very poor one.

Better to give root a go

Problem is where else does Leach get overs in? No domestic cricket available and he's not going to get picked for franchise stuff abroad. He's England's best spinner and Bess, despite the fivefer, has shown he's not there yet. They're going to need Leach in good nick to compete in India so not sure the selectors had much choice.
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« Reply #198 on: January 16, 2021, 01:09:28 PM »

Not sure why Lawrence wasn’t thrown the ball, he’s pretty handy.
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« Reply #199 on: January 16, 2021, 01:30:19 PM »

Problem is where else does Leach get overs in? No domestic cricket available and he's not going to get picked for franchise stuff abroad. He's England's best spinner and Bess, despite the fivefer, has shown he's not there yet. They're going to need Leach in good nick to compete in India so not sure the selectors had much choice.

Leach is the better bowler, despite Bess 5 wickets he could bowl a lot better another day and get none for.

We do indeed need Leach he could well come more into the game if/when SL bat again.

No one seems to mention Broad, 3 wickets first innings and fantastic control in the second innings, he seems to be getting better even when conditions are against him.
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« Reply #200 on: January 16, 2021, 03:51:39 PM »

Leach is the better bowler, despite Bess 5 wickets he could bowl a lot better another day and get none for.

We do indeed need Leach he could well come more into the game if/when SL bat again.

No one seems to mention Broad, 3 wickets first innings and fantastic control in the second innings, he seems to be getting better even when conditions are against him.

Broad has been pretty outstanding, based on this performance he could be key in India. If he can really dry up the scoring it would let the spinners go on the attack, plus he's IMO the match of any of the Indian quicks in terms of nous and skill.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #201 on: January 16, 2021, 03:52:27 PM »

I'd be surprised if Lawrence did much bowling. He'd certainly be well behind Root.

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« Reply #202 on: January 16, 2021, 06:22:43 PM »

I don’t think it really matters who is the better between Leach and Bess. It’s pretty clear that neither of them are international class at present. Root out bowled both of them. I’d rather have Moeen in the side, and hopefully he’ll be back in for the 2nd test now his stint in solitary confinement has come to an end.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #203 on: January 16, 2021, 06:41:36 PM »

I don’t think it really matters who is the better between Leach and Bess. It’s pretty clear that neither of them are international class at present. Root out bowled both of them. I’d rather have Moeen in the side, and hopefully he’ll be back in for the 2nd test now his stint in solitary confinement has come to an end.

Definitely would have Moeen in over Bess at the minute. I think Leach at his best offers more control and different angles as a left armer.
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« Reply #204 on: January 16, 2021, 07:03:22 PM »

I don’t think it really matters who is the better between Leach and Bess. It’s pretty clear that neither of them are international class at present. Root out bowled both of them. I’d rather have Moeen in the side, and hopefully he’ll be back in for the 2nd test now his stint in solitary confinement has come to an end.

I think it's a certainty Moeen would of been in the first test as first pick, probably in the batting position just before the keeper.

That would of given England another option either bowling or batting, ie e Stokes role. Lawrence probably could of still played and maybe Leach and Bess, I'm not sure we need Broad,Wood and Curran as 3 seamers in the conditions we have to play on.

For some reason I don't quite understand myself, the Sri Lankans seem to of extended Mo's quarantine period which means if he does play in the second test it will be will be with no practice and no training.
I think he's been ruled out already.

Moeen I've always though a bit of a square peg in a round hole, in England a low order batter and sole spinner who may or may not be our best spin option....but if you look at his stats they compare pretty well with any of our spinners plus he can bat, and has scored us vital runs from number 8.

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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #205 on: January 16, 2021, 07:29:48 PM »

Moeen shouldn't be anywhere near the side... End of

His form over the past 2 years has been poor he took time out needs to prove himself

We berated the selectors for picking bairstow without proving himself yet we all want mo back...

Our best spin option is leach.. batting shouldn't come into it u less it's mo Vs curran
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« Reply #206 on: January 16, 2021, 07:35:07 PM »

England have already said Mo wont be available for the 2nd Test. Not quite sure why if hes allowed back around the squad

Leach is actually a very good bowler as his test average of under 30 indicates. Certainly capable of holding an end at the very least. He is very rusty, quite understandably, but will be very important in the 2nd Test here and even more so in India. So good that hes getting overs in.

There is no magic fix to the England spinner problem while the Championship takes its current form. They simply dont get the overs or the pitches. No coincidence that both these guys had success at Somerset who have purposely left their square very dry in the last 4/5 years.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #207 on: January 16, 2021, 07:42:06 PM »

Agree to a certain extent. What have they done at Essex because regardless of eligibility for England the best spinner in recent years is Simon Harmer.

He is outstanding, you could make an argument he is not only the best spinner but the best bowler in the whole CC.
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« Reply #208 on: January 16, 2021, 07:48:24 PM »

Chelmsford offers alot aswell but no doubt Harmer is superb.

Most grounds are favourable to seam bowling, Young spinners often get left out for an extra medium pace seamer who will never threaten to play international cricket. Get the pitches right and spinners are crucial and suddenly your 77mph dobber becomes cannon fodder
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #209 on: January 16, 2021, 07:58:30 PM »

Stop playing the bulk of championship cricket in April and September!
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