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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #900 on: February 17, 2021, 02:32:39 PM »
"Experience against elite level opposition"! Hilarious!

Any chance of bowling an over without a long-hop or a full-toss in it?
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #901 on: February 17, 2021, 02:34:05 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 17, 2021, 02:26:50 PM
It's that he's chosen not to play for England that irks me. Not the simple fact that he's playing in the IPL.

He's not leaving the tour to go and play IPL though is he?

Consider that he's now been away from home for quite some time with work, it's been arranged since before he went that he would be heading home to his family now.

He's had to deal with Covid and his family have had to know that he's in another part of the world sick with a virus that has killed 100,000 people in the UK alone while not being able to see him. He's also got a young daughter he won't have seen for weeks and weeks but will have had in his head that he'd be getting to go home and spend time with her.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect him to change his plans, spend more time away from family and miss out on time with his daughter because the ECB didn't plan this tour properly and had to ask him to stay on with a day or two notice.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #902 on: February 17, 2021, 02:36:55 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 17, 2021, 02:32:39 PM
"Experience against elite level opposition"! Hilarious!

Any chance of bowling an over without a long-hop or a full-toss in it?

Care to explain how exactly the IPL doesn't involve elite players?

Take it you're now going with the stance that Rabada, Archer, Nortje, Bumrah, Kohli, De Villiers, etc are not elite T20 players? Aye, right enough 🤣
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #903 on: February 17, 2021, 02:41:09 PM »
I perhaps should have been more sympathetic to him having Covid?

It's not really me hating on Moeen Ali. It's the principle that England is no longer the most important thing.

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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #904 on: February 17, 2021, 02:43:35 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on February 17, 2021, 02:36:55 PM
Care to explain how exactly the IPL doesn't involve elite players?

Take it you're now going with the stance that Rabada, Archer, Nortje, Bumrah, Kohli, De Villiers, etc are not elite T20 players? Aye, right enough 🤣

That's not what I said at all.

Hilarious that we couldn't see some of this elite performance in the last Test match. Against elite level opposition.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #905 on: February 17, 2021, 02:47:27 PM »
Cricinfo are suggesting today that England's IPL contingent could miss the home NZ tests, which would make me very grumpy indeed. Sad as it is though, it's daft to expect players not to play in it these days - particularly Moeen who currently doesn't have a central contract.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #906 on: February 17, 2021, 02:48:36 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 17, 2021, 02:43:35 PM
That's not what I said at all.

Hilarious that we couldn't see some of this elite performance in the last Test match. Against elite level opposition.

But the IPL isn't a test tournament, I think we all realise that there are now different skillsets required for the various formats. Adil Rashid is an absolute gun in white ball because of his variations but his lack of consistency and inability to bowl long spells due to his shoulder mean he isn't a good test option.

The players who are going to the IPL are going to be important to the T20 squad who have a real shot at winning another global tournament over the next couple of years.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #907 on: February 17, 2021, 02:49:02 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 17, 2021, 02:43:35 PM
That's not what I said at all.

Hilarious that we couldn't see some of this elite performance in the last Test match. Against elite level opposition.

Yo, Donald... That is what you said what you derided his elite player comment,

Stop trying to back out when a good counter argument is given
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #908 on: February 17, 2021, 02:49:09 PM »
And it's also about Test cricket not being seen as morecimportant than T20. (Because T20 is where the money is.)

There was a film about it...
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #909 on: February 17, 2021, 02:49:37 PM »
Quote from: edge on February 17, 2021, 02:47:27 PM
Cricinfo are suggesting today that England's IPL contingent could miss the home NZ tests, which would make me very grumpy indeed. Sad as it is though, it's daft to expect players not to play in it these days - particularly Moeen who currently doesn't have a central contract.

That would be pretty extreme but part of me would also be very excited to see the like of Ollie Robinson given a chance in the test team.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #910 on: February 17, 2021, 02:51:59 PM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on February 17, 2021, 02:49:02 PM
Yo, Donald... That is what you said what you derided his elite player comment,

Stop trying to back out when a good counter argument is given

I'm not at all. I was suggesting it was hilarious that you don't think Test match cricket is elite cricket. And, in light of that, hilarious that Moeen Ali us unable to perform better in it.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #911 on: February 17, 2021, 02:59:11 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on February 17, 2021, 02:49:37 PM
part of me would also be very excited to see the like of Ollie Robinson given a chance in the test team.

Not least because it will be opportunity to see him play.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #912 on: February 17, 2021, 03:01:13 PM »
Quote from: edge on February 17, 2021, 02:47:27 PM
Cricinfo are suggesting today that England's IPL contingent could miss the home NZ tests, which would make me very grumpy indeed. Sad as it is though, it's daft to expect players not to play in it these days - particularly Moeen who currently doesn't have a central contract.

Looking at the list of players involved though, worst case scenario an XI of the current squad could still look like:
Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Root
Lawrence
Pope
Foakes
Leach
Stone
Broad
Anderson

So apart from a very long tail (which Bess could address if a major concern) and no allrounder it’s not too bad. I would sugggest that if Rajasthan don’t make the playoffs then it would hardly be noticed. I get the principled argument but in real terms I don’t think it should be that much of a drama.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #913 on: February 17, 2021, 03:07:15 PM »
Quote from: edge on February 17, 2021, 02:47:27 PM
Cricinfo are suggesting today that England's IPL contingent could miss the home NZ tests, which would make me very grumpy indeed. Sad as it is though, it's daft to expect players not to play in it these days - particularly Moeen who currently doesn't have a central contract.

Does seem to devalue the Tests a bit. They were already squeezed in at the last minute. Any ideas why they were scheduled atall?
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #914 on: February 17, 2021, 03:14:38 PM »
Quote from: Mtown Don on February 17, 2021, 03:01:13 PM
Looking at the list of players involved though, worst case scenario an XI of the current squad could still look like:
Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Root
Lawrence
Pope
Foakes
Leach
Stone
Broad
Anderson

So apart from a very long tail (which Bess could address if a major concern) and no allrounder it’s not too bad. I would sugggest that if Rajasthan don’t make the playoffs then it would hardly be noticed. I get the principled argument but in real terms I don’t think it should be that much of a drama.

There might even be potential for Leach to sit out considering they are early season matches. Get a forth seamer in.

Would like to see Lawrence down the order in home conditions, think it will be easier to judge him rather than thrown in at 3 away to India where he has looked a bit out of his depth. Although not the only one
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