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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2021, 03:33:06 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on March 25, 2021, 02:56:01 PM
Comment from batmaker Ian Callen in the same magazine might also cause a stir on here. In response to the question "What about when the batmakers try to move the sweet spot to suit a player's style?":

"The middle is the middle, there's no other place for it. Try and run the sweet spot down the bat and it becomes bottom-heavy, ruins the pick-up. Then the batter has to use lots of grips to balance the bat. You'll get some battters who say that they hit the ball on the up, so they need the middle higher up. You need the middle in the middle. Even in the subcontinent with low bounce, when you watch DRS, how many times does the ball bounce over the stumps?"
Sounds like he might get on well with Paul Aldred
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2021, 03:47:35 PM »
Quote from: bat_flipper on March 25, 2021, 03:33:06 PM
Sounds like he might get on well with Paul Aldred

I actually thought this.  ;)
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2021, 03:51:48 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on March 25, 2021, 02:19:41 PM
Not sure the original point Gooch made was that you have to go to a local shop but more that it was preferable if you want to get a bat that you love. Don't think anyone would argue that.

On the other hand, fair point that a lot of people simply do not have this option. I live in a fairly major city and we have one poorly stocked shop that has cricket kit for maybe 7 months of the year. Nearest batmaker AFAIK is about 3 hours drive.

This is probably the problem for a vast majority of people though, I'd wager the only place most people living in anything smaller than a decent sized city can look at and pick up bats is Sports Direct so unless you fancy a 39.99 special, you're going to have to buy online.

I think this thread is a bit privileged in terms of both knowledge and access, in its' statement that you should go to your local batmaker when in reality one of the major online retailers will do exactly the same thing without having to drive hours to a maker
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2021, 03:57:33 PM »
Quote from: Jordansh on March 25, 2021, 03:51:48 PM
exactly the same thing without having to drive hours to a maker

I think the point is that it's not exactly the same thing.
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2021, 04:43:36 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on March 25, 2021, 03:57:33 PM
I think the point is that it's not exactly the same thing.

The salient point of my comment was around Knowledge and accessibility

To the average player, going to the maker or buying online achieves the same thing, buying a bat to play with

If I've misread the context of previous comments then I apologise but I think its easy for knowledgeable people to  claim the opposite when its simply not practical

Surely this is why retailers such as IJC handpick for their retail, so the average consumer doesn't have to?
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2021, 04:50:47 PM »
Am I missing something? You can pass on all the information and knowledge you like, but you are still not feeling the bat in your hands.

I wasn't ever denying there are plenty of places that provide an online service. But if you go to your local batmaker, you are there, in person.
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2021, 06:33:23 PM »
The trouble is that no matter how a bat feels in the hand, you have no guarantee how it will play until you start hitting with it. You could spend a whole day picking up every bat in a shop and wafting them all around, pick your favourite.... then when you finally get to play with it find that you hate the feel off the bat.
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2021, 06:50:31 PM »
"If only I'd measured the edges and spine height and calculated how far down I wanted the 'middle' to be..."

I give up.

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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2021, 07:08:05 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on March 25, 2021, 06:50:31 PM
"If only I'd measured the edges and spine height and calculated how far down I wanted the 'middle' to be..."

I give up.

The one thing I will say for edges and spine height, it definitely gives me more confidence looking at my bat and knowing it's a big lump that can hit a ball much further than I ever will.
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2021, 07:21:42 PM »
Quote from: Rez on March 25, 2021, 06:33:23 PM
The trouble is that no matter how a bat feels in the hand, you have no guarantee how it will play until you start hitting with it. You could spend a whole day picking up every bat in a shop and wafting them all around, pick your favourite.... then when you finally get to play with it find that you hate the feel off the bat.

Very true. I bought a GM Noir LE a couple of years ago, and thought it was absolutely perfect. Perfect grain, weight, pickup and profile. Felt great with the mallet and ball. Gave it a hit in the nets and within 2 minutes I had decided that I absolutely hated the feel. An hour later it was on eBay!
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2021, 07:36:18 PM »
A bat so big it can hit the ball futher than a person! Wow!
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2021, 07:37:10 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on March 25, 2021, 07:08:05 PM
The one thing I will say for edges and spine height, it definitely gives me more confidence looking at my bat and knowing it's a big lump that can hit a ball much further than I ever will.

Most of us are the same, and yet we also know(for those who have been playing years) the modern bats are no better for hitting further than the bats with small edges like a Mjolnir from 30 years  ago or a Salix Pod from 20 years ago.

Still the idea we are holding something more substantial works for a bit of extra confidence when we walk out to bat.

Bats changing into twice the size has been the biggest change from when I started playing and the most successful marketing idea I can think of....

The whole game is so much in the mind, batting especially.if there's a perceived advantage available, chances are we take it and ignore the reality that it makes no difference.
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2021, 07:37:40 PM »
Quote from: SouthpawMark on March 25, 2021, 07:21:42 PM
I absolutely hated the feel. An hour later it was on eBay!

Must have been a terrible experience .
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2021, 07:39:55 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on March 25, 2021, 07:37:10 PM
Most of us are the same, and yet we also know(for those who have been playing years) the modern bats are no better for hitting further than the bats with small edges like a Mjolnir from 30 years  ago or a Salix Pod from 20 years ago.

Still the idea we are holding something more substantial works for a bit of extra confidence when we walk out to bat.

Bats changing into twice the size has been the biggest change from when I started playing and the most successful marketing idea I can think of....

The whole game is so much in the mind, batting especially.if there's a perceived advantage available, chances are we take it and ignore the reality that it makes no difference.

The head batmaker at Gray Nicolls told me size has nothing to do with it.  I believe he comes on here sometimes?
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Re: IJC tour of B3 Cricket
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2021, 07:48:11 PM »
Quote from: SouthpawMark on March 24, 2021, 08:10:10 PM
The biggest problem I have with buying bats online is that there are very few companies out there who provide pictures of the actual bat you’re going to buy. Most websites simply stick a stock picture up there, and quite often it won’t even be the same grade. It’s not a problem for other sports such as tennis, golf or hockey, as these are all machine made to within miniscule tolerances of each other.

That said, out of the ten Sir Ben Stokes GM bats I have, only one was picked out in person. I decided that I liked the shape, then put my faith in GMs snazzy machines and the chap who decides the grade of willow. It worked out fine!

Great point! Thats exactly why we do what we do. Buying online can be hard so using sites that show actual bat photos and list specs (and will also send extra pictures and videos if asked) can really help.
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