Topic: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches (Read 38129 times)

rickjames · « **Reply #270 on:** June 11, 2021, 05:31:30 PM »

Dan Lawrence getting a maiden test wicket, wonderful

Luke-scicc · « **Reply #271 on:** June 11, 2021, 06:05:24 PM »

As much as pope seems to keep getting in then getting himself out, I'd keep him in when stokes is back, pope at short leg is excellent.
Crawley im not a fan of.

ppccopener · « **Reply #272 on:** June 11, 2021, 06:19:44 PM »

I'm not sure a batsman can stay in the side just because he is a crack short leg, otherwise Keaton Jennings would never of been dropped.

Tough call on Pope, he's massively talented for his age, great FC record, does the fact he gets in but then gets out mean any more than getting ducks then a big score spread out?.

Stokes will be back, Bracey will be out and Butler or Foakes back.

England might have to choose between Crawley and Pope, leaving Sibley where he is at the moment.

Lawrence may get a few low scores but when he is in at least he's shown the ability to take the attack to the bowlers.
He doesn't look overawed by the situation.

Maybe he has more self confidence and belief than the other two.

Luke-scicc · « **Reply #273 on:** June 11, 2021, 06:29:03 PM »

No at That level obviously he's not keeping his place on fielding alone, I've always thought he was brought in to the side far too early and batted too high.
I'm just not a fan of bringing a player in and expecting instant success.

Pope is still young if he's cast aside now when will he get back in?
The difference with jennings was he obviously had a huge flaw when opening the batting. I don't see a huge flaw in pope other than him applying himself which will come in time.

ppccopener · « **Reply #274 on:** June 11, 2021, 06:39:41 PM »

Totally agree, he's the most talented player I've seen at his age after Root.

England selection nowadays is a few more games to prove they can cut it, rather than the old days of players getting chopped and changed all the time.

It's always a punt with selection of young players and the step up is difficult, no doubt about that.
England have invested a lot into Pope but there does come a time you need to contribute a bit more.

I wonder if when Stokes is back England might try Pope (presuming he's not dropped) up the order a bit. He doesn't bat that high for Surrey but it may be worth the risk.

I think Burns and Sibley will stay as openers , if Crawley is out, Lawrence looks more of a shot player at 5 or 6.

Manormanic · « **Reply #275 on:** June 11, 2021, 07:15:41 PM »

With Pope I wonder if dropping him now is the same as Bell in the Windies. It's more about reminding him of the need to apply himself than saying he is not of the required standard.

Luke-scicc · « **Reply #276 on:** June 11, 2021, 07:20:52 PM »

Both very good points.
England are definitely much better in their policy of giving players more games.
I think Burns has done enough to answer his critics and I certainly wouldn't like to see Crawley and sibley opening.

Sibley is doing a job he's been asked yes he's boring but he wears down the attack. I'd possibly be looking at Malan at 3 looking ahead to the ashes.

As always England have a wealth of middle order bats and we can't fit them all in! Tough calls.

I think the squad for the India series will look very different though.

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #277 on:** June 11, 2021, 08:20:13 PM »

If Crawley gets dropped you assume a top order player would replace him such as Hameed. There�s no way Pope could move up to 3 when he�s struggling at 5.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #278 on:** June 11, 2021, 09:03:16 PM »

And to think I actually apologised for getting it wrong after strongly asserting that Zak Crawley was unlikely to be the answer!

Kulli · « **Reply #279 on:** June 11, 2021, 10:36:41 PM »

Quote from: Luke-scicc on June 11, 2021, 06:29:03 PM

No at That level obviously he's not keeping his place on fielding alone, I've always thought he was brought in to the side far too early and batted too high.
I'm just not a fan of bringing a player in and expecting instant success.

Pope is still young if he's cast aside now when will he get back in?
The difference with jennings was he obviously had a huge flaw when opening the batting. I don't see a huge flaw in pope other than him applying himself which will come in time.

He�s mostly batted at 6 hasn�t he. You can�t really have him much lower!

I guess it�s Pope or Lawrence at 6 and 3, as always, the problem spot. Malan is probably he solution if they have an eye on Australian, but if he they give him 5 games agains india and he fails then that�s a hard call to stick with. Glad I�m not a selector right now tbh.

billyb · « **Reply #280 on:** June 12, 2021, 03:21:37 AM »

Quote from: Kulli on June 11, 2021, 10:36:41 PM

He�s mostly batted at 6 hasn�t he. You can�t really have him much lower!

I guess it�s Pope or Lawrence at 6 and 3, as always, the problem spot. Malan is probably he solution if they have an eye on Australian, but if he they give him 5 games agains india and he fails then that�s a hard call to stick with. Glad I�m not a selector right now tbh.

Me too, I think this is a really hard time to be a selector. The entire team is in transition really, with the exception of only a couple of players. Just think how different it will look when Broad and Anderson retire! But hey, we'll get to fall in love with a whole new group of players.

Luke-scicc · « **Reply #281 on:** June 12, 2021, 06:47:54 AM »

Quote from: Kulli on June 11, 2021, 10:36:41 PM

He�s mostly batted at 6 hasn�t he. You can�t really have him much lower!

I guess it�s Pope or Lawrence at 6 and 3, as always, the problem spot. Malan is probably he solution if they have an eye on Australian, but if he they give him 5 games agains india and he fails then that�s a hard call to stick with. Glad I�m not a selector right now tbh.

This time around he has batted 6 which I think is about right 5/6. When he was brought in to the england first time around he batted well out of position up the order.

I'm not sure either pope or Lawrence have the game to bat 3.

Kulli · « **Reply #282 on:** June 12, 2021, 07:49:33 AM »

Quote from: Luke-scicc on June 12, 2021, 06:47:54 AM

This time around he has batted 6 which I think is about right 5/6. When he was brought in to the england first time around he batted well out of position up the order.

I'm not sure either pope or Lawrence have the game to bat 3.

He batted 4 twice (no idea when)
5 - 7 tests
6 - 10
7- 4

I�d love him to do well but batting too high hasn�t been the issue. I�d rather they dropped him
Completely than pushed him up to 3 to be honest, same with Lawrence.

ppccopener · « **Reply #283 on:** June 12, 2021, 09:15:40 AM »

Lawrence looks a middle order bat 5 or 6, he seems more keen to take it on a bit. I don't think all the younger players are going to make it thru the summer, I'd like as much time as possible but there's a balance of contributing to the team.

Stokes, Buttler/Foakes coming back means we don't need a specialist batter at 6. Not to mention Curran and Chris Woakes(player of the year for us but not bowled a ball for nearly a year for England).

Recent years we have had lots of middle order players,not many top order ones, hence why we probably will give Sibley an extended run, he's done ok so far.

I think Pope is a huge talent, at the moment none of Crawley,Pope or Lawrence really stand out from each other. At the moment Lawrence looks to have more of a temperament for batting, which you only know once they play test matches.

England have to take a punt on potential, as others have said with a developing side (batting) it's no easy task.

rickjames · « **Reply #284 on:** June 12, 2021, 11:02:06 AM »

Bracey isn't very good

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