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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #75 on: June 03, 2021, 03:35:47 PM »

Sibley has also missed a huge amount of cricket due to injury recently, context to consider.
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« Reply #76 on: June 03, 2021, 03:39:12 PM »

not sure how ball tracking can say that the ball sibley was given out off was even feathering the stumps.

might be unpopular but once there are 2 umpires calls out of the 3 then surely it cant be out? especially when one of the major factors (hitting the stumps) was so vague in this case.

That said, he wouldnt have lasted much longer with the ball hooping around like that
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #77 on: June 03, 2021, 03:51:55 PM »

Good guess @Buzz - but you’re a little off ;)

Not my fault the selection was wrong.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #78 on: June 03, 2021, 04:02:48 PM »

not sure how ball tracking can say that the ball sibley was given out off was even feathering the stumps.

might be unpopular but once there are 2 umpires calls out of the 3 then surely it cant be out? especially when one of the major factors (hitting the stumps) was so vague in this case.

That said, he wouldnt have lasted much longer with the ball hooping around like that

Looked a bit rough to me, there’s many decisions you look at and just think it’s missing.

Whatever the argument about bigger bats, flatter tracks, not as good as the 80’s bowling attack-guys get given out nowadays and there’s no way on earth these decisions were given a few years ago.
In some ways it’s harder now to be a batsman with DRS and the umps giving a lot more decisions out.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #79 on: June 03, 2021, 04:23:07 PM »

not sure how ball tracking can say that the ball sibley was given out off was even feathering the stumps.

might be unpopular but once there are 2 umpires calls out of the 3 then surely it cant be out? especially when one of the major factors (hitting the stumps) was so vague in this case.

That said, he wouldnt have lasted much longer with the ball hooping around like that

I assume that the area the ball pitches and the point of impact are fairly accurate as they they actual events, but the predictive element of where the ball would have gone had it not hit the pad has a margin of error.

Personally I would get rid of the umpire call element of the system when overturning decisions.  I don't see that the on field decision should be determinative if you are backing the technology
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #80 on: June 04, 2021, 05:06:03 AM »

Who was the member that had a go at me saying Sibley would have a better test average than all NZ openers? I can't find the comment anywhere...
Rough call today mind you with that LBW but anyone could see he was going to struggle with that technique.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #81 on: June 04, 2021, 08:04:46 AM »

I assume that the area the ball pitches and the point of impact are fairly accurate as they they actual events, but the predictive element of where the ball would have gone had it not hit the pad has a margin of error.

Personally I would get rid of the umpire call element of the system when overturning decisions.  I don't see that the on field decision should be determinative if you are backing the technology

i would retain umpires call for things that are predictive, like hitting the stumps. but make add in a margin of say 10% of the ball must be hitting for it to out - even if already given. i dont like the 'once its given all it has to do is graze the stumps' as the technology isnt 100%

i think im correct that in football the middle of the ball has to cross the line, why cant they just use that for hitting the pads, and just remove umpires call again.

there was an interesting piece on sky at one of the county games with Nas and Wardy where they showed that umpires call effectively added an extra stump on either side.

I would like to see the use of DRS as simple as possible, to avoid all confusion
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #82 on: June 04, 2021, 08:37:09 AM »

I don't normally mind umpire's call but the double UC does feel like it should default to the batsman's favour.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #83 on: June 04, 2021, 09:06:58 AM »

I don't normally mind umpire's call but the double UC does feel like it should default to the batsman's favour.

Totally agree with this!
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #84 on: June 04, 2021, 09:34:45 AM »

DRS has been good for cricket overall, but i believe they need to be open to changing it and winding it back and simplifying. i like the idea behind no balls but that needs to be a lot quicker, cant have bowlers getting to fine leg then being called back and having to reset the field.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #85 on: June 04, 2021, 09:44:24 AM »

The proposed change of including the height of the bails in the DRS reviews and deciding how much of the ball was hitting the stumps is a step in the right direction I feel. Is that only for the WTC final or will it be a standard rule?
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #86 on: June 04, 2021, 02:38:47 PM »

there was an interesting piece on sky at one of the county games with Nas and Wardy where they showed that umpires call effectively added an extra stump on either side.


But surely the umpire should always have been including the edge of the ball hitting the edge of the stumps? So not really?
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #87 on: June 04, 2021, 02:53:38 PM »

if any umpire thinks the ball is just clipping the stumps then they shouldnt be giving it out, they could only be guessing at that point.

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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #88 on: June 04, 2021, 03:20:02 PM »

if any umpire thinks the ball is just clipping the stumps then they shouldnt be giving it out, they could only be guessing at that point.

The Laws of Cricket state simply that the ball would have been hitting the wicket. No-mention of which part.

You could make an argument that an umpire, and even technology, can only ever be guessing?
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #89 on: June 04, 2021, 03:23:08 PM »

There is also nothing in the Laws of Cricket that says the benefit of the doubt should go to the batsman. This is simply an adopted convention.
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