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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1005 on: July 07, 2022, 05:58:30 PM »

This pitch is an absolute motorway.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1006 on: July 07, 2022, 07:57:07 PM »

Did anyone watching get an idea of what was wrong with Roy? Scorecard is not flattering.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1007 on: July 07, 2022, 10:31:59 PM »

He’s a pretty firm sort of a player isn’t he. Can look fairly sketchy at times.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1008 on: July 08, 2022, 06:22:14 AM »

Did anyone watching get an idea of what was wrong with Roy? Scorecard is not flattering.

The Indian bowlers were getting some serious swing.
They looked a class above us last night. Which is very unusual for our white ball team.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1009 on: July 09, 2022, 01:20:02 PM »

The way Bhuvi and Arshdeep bowled in the power play was quite exceptional. It was swinging a lot which was surprising with the white ball.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1010 on: July 09, 2022, 02:06:46 PM »

Isha Guha is awful!
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1011 on: July 09, 2022, 03:23:36 PM »

Roy gone first ball, zero foot movement at all.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1012 on: July 09, 2022, 04:56:33 PM »

Eng came third today.

Rohit has transformed the Indian t20 team.

It will be interesting to see how Jos and the team respond to this.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1013 on: July 09, 2022, 07:47:14 PM »

Eng came third today.

Rohit has transformed the Indian t20 team.

It will be interesting to see how Jos and the team respond to this.
Morgan wasn’t impressed from his comms
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1014 on: July 10, 2022, 12:27:54 AM »

Haven't seen Eng play T20s as bad as these last two games lately. Could the absence of Morgan as captain be the reason? No matter how important captain is, almost everyone believes you can't have a captain who isn't scoring so Morgan had to go. But is captaincy so important to makeup of the team that it can overcome even personal lack of form to win games just by strategy and other things.

Consider India in tests, after coach Ravi Sastry left, under coach Dravid, Ind lost the test series against a non-full strength/weak SA team. Same result in the one off Eng test, of course Eng were propped up by Baz-Stokes in this department to make it even more one sided. Pant and KL as captains were quite underwhelming to say the least. Right now, in Ind team, with so much rotation, the senior most players available are getting the captaincy/vc duties when regulars are not available. It seems to me there is no thinking at all among the selectors as to who will be a good captain at all, they just go by seniority which seems quite naive. Otherwise how can one explain Jadeja as VC when he was such a flop in IPL and he himself said captaincy was affecting his game in all 3 departments and relinquished it.

I think this is a question that will need further debate. Not just captain but coach and captain setup is very important I feel, and I am not sure teams all over the world give enough thought to this despite the amount of damage it can do when the right person isn't in the captaincy/coaching job. Selecting a player with great playing record for coaching job isn't the solution for sure. Langer and Dravid failures vs Sastry, Mccullum , Dave Whatmore, Bob Wooolmer (not best players but ones with great coaching skills/attitude) successes.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1015 on: July 10, 2022, 04:15:06 AM »

Rahul Dravid has coaching experience, National Cricket Academy, India Under 19 (winner 2018, runner up 2020), IPL mentoring. Also Ravi Shastri didn’t start immediately winning everything. He lost series in SA in 2018 too, it has been difficult with team India to win at SA. It will taken more than 1-2 series to better judge Rahul capabilities. Labelling him as a failure is just too early IMO. The young generation which is joining team India now has been coached by him in one way or another. So it’s better to give him few years before judging. Also you didn’t put example of Sandeep Patil, Garry Kirsten and many other forward. And Shastri was very good player at his time with successful and long career and is a celebrated personality in India, not the best but still one of the best similar to dravid.

Rohit is the full time captain here. Indian team is not trying out captains or handing out captaincy to senior most one otherwise Pujara should have been captain in last test match, it’s just in last year due to one reason or another Rohit wasn’t either available or fit or Indian team was trying/ exposing youngsters probably for World Cup and that’s why new captains were also tried, e.g. Ireland, SA T-20 series.
Rohit, if playing will be captain as of now and we will see him delivering results in future

https://www.republicworld.com/sports-news/cricket-news/as-bcci-appoints-rahul-dravid-as-indias-coach-heres-his-u-19-india-a-and-nca-record.html
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1016 on: July 10, 2022, 08:39:02 AM »

I think India winning the series so easily has far more to do with other factors than Morgan going (although the captaincy importance thing is an interesting debate).

1. The Indian batsman have finally bought into having to keep scoring and putting the pressure on through the middle overs.

2. This is no where near the full strength England side. It's missing Bairstow, Stokes, Rashid, Wood and arguably Woakes  (and I haven't included Archer).

3. Hardik is able to bowl properly again so it allows them to balance their side far easier than they have before. Where they had no one in the top 5 bowling.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1017 on: July 10, 2022, 02:53:05 PM »

Agree, plus can't really draw much conclusion from two T20 results. On another day, the result could have been exactly the opposite.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1018 on: July 12, 2022, 02:42:09 PM »

Great start to the Buttler era in limited overs cricket! Reaching new milestones!
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #1019 on: July 12, 2022, 04:13:15 PM »

Movement from the Indian bowlers and they are high class.

I guess England hit thru the line consistently and they will have to adapt to improve.

India have quality  bowlers and it showed today. We didn’t move it much at all
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