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Re: England v India series
« Reply #165 on: August 10, 2021, 09:48:31 AM »

Got to feel a bit for Leach, changed his action, had his illness concerns, yet only seems to get a game here and there. Has never really been a decent run in the team. Maybe he should learn to bat a bit, seems to count for more than bowling ability
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #166 on: August 10, 2021, 09:55:24 AM »


All round ability... remind me when was the last time he actually produced anything CONSISTENTLY with the bat for the England TEST team (white ball biffing simply doesn't count)
Playing Moeen gives the option of playing 4 genuine seam/fast bowlers eg the winning strategy.
Moeen might not be the batsman he once was but he’s probably still able to swing madly like Curran
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #167 on: August 10, 2021, 11:04:57 AM »

Playing Moeen gives the option of playing 4 genuine seam/fast bowlers eg the winning strategy.
Moeen might not be the batsman he once was but he’s probably still able to swing madly like Curran

oh, I defo wouldn't pick Curran anyway personally.. offers nothing
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #168 on: August 10, 2021, 11:10:59 AM »

Mo could consider himself a bit unlucky not to have been in the original squad considering he took 8 wickets in his last test and, in thr absence of Stokes and Woakes, addresses the problem of trying to get 5 bowlers into a side when the batting is suspect.

I would prefer to see him replace Lawrence, slot him in at 7 with Butler moving up to 6 and Curram keeping his place at 8.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #169 on: August 10, 2021, 12:05:42 PM »

I just dont understand how Leach and Bess convince themselves that they are good enough to play at test level when such things happen. It must be so tough to stay motivated.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #170 on: August 10, 2021, 12:38:28 PM »

India dropped the mighty ASHWIN to get better balance in their batting - dropping leach doesn’t seem so drastic..
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« Reply #171 on: August 10, 2021, 01:00:34 PM »

India dropped the mighty ASHWIN to get better balance in their batting - dropping leach doesn’t seem so drastic..

But its not just this one instance, is it? He constantly gets picked up in the squad and more often than not sits on the sidelines...and then the board brings in another spinner and he gets picked ahead of Leach. Clearly in terms of spin options, Moeen is the alpha. Surely it must not be easy being in that situation.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #172 on: August 10, 2021, 01:09:13 PM »

India dropped the mighty ASHWIN to get better balance in their batting - dropping leach doesn’t seem so drastic..

I did think this.  Ashwin is a man with over 400 test wickets as well as averaging a pretty healthy 27 with the bad including 5 hundreds. 

Something has gone drastically wrong with our price preparation if we are playing on decks where we are relying on Jack Leach to out bowl Ashwin in the second innings of the game
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #173 on: August 10, 2021, 01:13:46 PM »

India dropped the mighty ASHWIN to get better balance in their batting - dropping leach doesn’t seem so drastic..
India dropped Ashwin but his replacement Jadeja isn’t too much off a downgrade is he?
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #174 on: August 10, 2021, 01:24:56 PM »

I can't help but feel that Jack Leach is a victim of his time. If our top 7 (less Root) were firing properly and making stacks of runs he'd probably be in the side. As it is he makes the tail too long, less from his own actions but more of others'.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #175 on: August 10, 2021, 01:44:09 PM »

But its not just this one instance, is it? He constantly gets picked up in the squad and more often than not sits on the sidelines...and then the board brings in another spinner and he gets picked ahead of Leach. Clearly in terms of spin options, Moeen is the alpha. Surely it must not be easy being in that situation.

Moreover, the selectors chose to bring in a spinner from outside the squad to address the balance, rather than to back him as their spinner and call up an all rounder who can bowl some seam for the balance.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #176 on: August 10, 2021, 03:00:20 PM »

Seems as if Sibley, Crawley and Lawrence could all get the chop, for Hameed, Pope and Moeen.

Team being mooted is below (don't shoot the messenger)

Burns
Hameed
YJB
Rooooooot
Pope
Buttler
Mo
Curran
Robinson
Broad
Anderson

Seems a little harsh on Sibley, no one knows about Pope's form. Mo hasn't seen a red ball for a while either (but when has that ever been an impediment to selection) and YJB needs to be at 5 not three (like most of the Eng batsmen at the moment).
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #177 on: August 10, 2021, 04:09:56 PM »

I can't help but feel that Jack Leach is a victim of his time. If our top 7 (less Root) were firing properly and making stacks of runs he'd probably be in the side. As it is he makes the tail too long, less from his own actions but more of others'.

Exactly, looks like we need a bowling allrounder to play(seamer) for Leach to get picked in most conditions apart from India or Sri Lanka.
If we batted and got 400 most of the time you need spin at the back end of the game even in the UK. But the fact is we don't, our batting is weak and the selectors are doing everything and anything to prop it up.
In some ways I feel for those picking the team, invest in potential or revert back to players tried before-not easy.

I don't know when the next Championship game is but England should release Leach from the squad for this series to let him get some cricket in. I'm less convinced about Bess, he's a better bat than Leach but nowhere near as good a spinner.

You could make the same argument about Foakes, when fit,  how anyone sees his batting as weakening the side is a mystery to me.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #178 on: August 10, 2021, 04:51:50 PM »

Broad is likely going to miss this game...
Going for a scan on his calf/ankle. Means we might see a bit of Mark Wood. Which isn't a bad thing.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #179 on: August 10, 2021, 05:01:18 PM »

Seems as if Sibley, Crawley and Lawrence could all get the chop, for Hameed, Pope and Moeen.

Team being mooted is below (don't shoot the messenger)

Burns
Hameed
YJB
Rooooooot
Pope
Buttler
Mo
Curran
Robinson
Broad
Anderson

Seems a little harsh on Sibley, no one knows about Pope's form. Mo hasn't seen a red ball for a while either (but when has that ever been an impediment to selection) and YJB needs to be at 5 not three (like most of the Eng batsmen at the moment).


Oh god... Bairstow .... 
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