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[JTtaylor145]

@ProCricketer1982 I think I agree with absolutely everything you have written there.

Spot on Sir 

[Buzz]

Probably agree with a chunk of the above, but where I would take issue is on technique.

If you look at how technically able the batsmen are in the Kiwi and Indian sides and then you look at burns and Sibley... I would argue that for too long we have seen coaches not being comfortable working on a bats man's technique. This needs to change in my view. Burns and Sibley are massively limited by their technique.

[Jimbo]

Have to agree with that assessment @Buzz

Look at the difference technical coaching made to Labuschagne when he went to Glamorgan. I'm not saying that there's no value in the likes of Trescothick but surely England could bring in a batting coach with a history of improving and refining player's techniques at the highest level, even as a consultant rather than as a full time appointment.

[Buzz]

Have to agree with that assessment @Buzz

Look at the difference technical coaching made to Labuschagne when he went to Glamorgan. I'm not saying that there's no value in the likes of Trescothick but surely England could bring in a batting coach with a history of improving and refining player's techniques at the highest level, even as a consultant rather than as a full time appointment.

This is the role of the counties to be honest, players with poor techniques shouldn't make it to the England side.

[ProCricketer1982]

This is the role of the counties to be honest, players with poor techniques shouldn't make it to the England side.

or county sides !   No place for the likes of Duckett in any top 5 in red ball full stop for example

[Jimbo]

This is the role of the counties to be honest, players with poor techniques shouldn't make it to the England side.

But if they're scoring buckets of runs at county level (Sibley, Burns, Pope, Lawrence) why would their county risk changing things? If things are only an issue at international level then I'd suggest it would be in the interest of the England setup to have someone working with them on the necessary technical adaptations, rather than relying on the county coaches to fix something that, for them, isn't a problem.

[ProCricketer1982]

But if they're scoring buckets of runs at county level (Sibley, Burns, Pope, Lawrence) why would their county risk changing things? If things are only an issue at international level then I'd suggest it would be in the interest of the England setup to have someone working with them on the necessary technical adaptations, rather than relying on the county coaches to fix something that, for them, isn't a problem.

It's only 'not a problem' at county level because the level is poorer. It's like at amateur level, you see players who you know will be undone if they come across a wicket that isn't a road but because they play on roads most games, get away with their technique etc.. Just because they are scoring runs, doesn't mean they are good.. How many games have you seen when one side plays their games on a road, only to rock up once or twice a year on a non road and be utterly shown up.. yet, because they play mostly on roads... people just ignore the fact they can't bat etc..

same at county level ... just these players in theory are better

[Buzz]

But if they're scoring buckets of runs at county level (Sibley, Burns, Pope, Lawrence) why would their county risk changing things? If things are only an issue at international level then I'd suggest it would be in the interest of the England setup to have someone working with them on the necessary technical adaptations, rather than relying on the county coaches to fix something that, for them, isn't a problem.

Ask Marnus or Mark Butcher.

Because you want to get better and succeed.

Laurence and Pope both have good technique (ignoring this standing on off stump nonsense) so for them it is mental.

I actually thought Bairstow looked much better in the last test too, I suspect he will get another run at it now.

Realistically Pope and Laurence are fighting for one spot, unless one of them bats 3...

[ppccopener]

Interesting stuff being discussed in the last few posts, I don't disagree, there's got to be loads of us on here at club level looking to improve technique because we have to fall back on it when it's hard to score runs in our matches. I've spent a lot of time myself trying to get better(I'm 54) and it's always something to be worked on-the basics of batting.

I have seen Burns in interview say he does not care about comments or advise on his technique and Sibley pretty much the same.Both have unusual batting styles and of the two no ones arguing Sibley is off the hip or off the legs and nothing else seems natural to him.

Burns specifically said in interview he will be judged on runs alone and he will do it his way. In other words runs keep him in the team whether his technique is unusual or not. So he does it his way.

If you look at Crawley and Pope, both look to me to have an all round game and conventional technique, set up to do well, but neither really has(yet)

[Buzz]

Also watch out for a call up for Moeen coming your way...

Very likely he could come into the team for Sam.

Silverwood has just given an interview when he implied that Hammed and Pope could come in and Moeen is under consideration. Also that Bairstow looked as good as he has in a long time....

[ppccopener]

Bairstow did do,well over two innings, credit where it's due.
He also gave us some momentum when we needed it.

[ProCricketer1982]

Also watch out for a call up for Moeen coming your way...

Very likely he could come into the team for Sam.

Silverwood has just given an interview when he implied that Hammed and Pope could come in and Moeen is under consideration. Also that Bairstow looked as good as he has in a long time....

Bairstow did look like he's actually tried to get better. Kudos for that to the lad. Shame he didn't do it about 3-4 years ago mind!

oh no.. not moeen again.. Love the lad as he seems such a nice bloke but again.. what's leech done wrong to not get a year or so in the side?? .. in fact, what's moeen done in red ball to deserve yet another shot??

[mo_town]

One good innings and Bairstow goes from public enemy no.1 to almost a hero...lol...I guess it has more to do with limited options.

The Indian team seems to be pretty sorted at the moment, not expecting to see any changes. Ashwin will have to sit out as Jaddu's contribution with the bat are invaluable. I guess Rahane and Pujara will get an extended run to get some runs. I dont really see Shaw or Sky getting a match in this series unless there are injuries.

[ProCricketer1982]

One good innings and Bairstow goes from public enemy no.1 to almost a hero...lol...

The same as all England players.. One knock and they are legends.. 'world class' again.. few white ball runs and they get into the test side.

He doesn't deserve to be there.. simple as that.. HOWEVER, IF.. IF.. you forget everything and go off the last game... it was at least a positive...

[ppccopener]

This fourum  over all is pretty balanced, their are Bairstow and Yorkshire fans who think he should be in,some of us think he has had enough chances.
Either way, if he's batted ok let's say he has batted ok-which he did.He can only be compared with other guys who are in the team and the 30 other batsmen we have tried in the last 3 years.

Most of us England fans know, we are looking at,with the huge exception of Root, the worst batting line up in living memory.