Topic: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled (Read 28313 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #60 on:** September 22, 2021, 03:24:25 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on September 22, 2021, 03:12:59 PM

I was referring to your position of "specific" which could mean something much more specific as in personal.

Regarding future and how "sharing information" could somehow derail the future, that excuse has been used a LOT to hide wrong doing. This is a separate discussion but I can cite dozen of news articles and studies that that show hiding information had led to more wrong doing than sharing it.

Perhaps the New Zealand team should share with you the exact threat made to them in the interests of every bit of security information being shared as the way forward.
Perhaps you can then also share the liability costs and responsibility involved.

Providing your sitting on a personal fortune of in excess of 20 million it should be no problem.
Why don�t you contact the New Zealand and England cricket boards and suggest it.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #61 on:** September 22, 2021, 03:54:38 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on September 22, 2021, 03:24:25 PM

Perhaps you can then also share the liability costs and responsibility involved.

What about the liability cost and responsibility involved to PCB and nation of cricket fans? What about future tours and costs of those tours?

You sitting on your personal fortune of 20 pounds have no problem passing judgement on one side. Why don't you contact PCB and their fans and their govt. and tell them that they don't deserve to know the truth.

Basically, your attitude is the perfect example of the elitism that PCB is complaining about.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #62 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:03:18 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on September 22, 2021, 02:35:03 PM

Then, they should share that information and cooperate in an investigation. I can tell you by just reading newspapers that their situation is a bit far removed from "geo-politics". Just guessing.

On the other hand, if specificity was indeed a factor and it was a personal threat, then that is another story and they should share the information.

You're (No Swearing Please) mad if you think security should be 'shared'. Jesus, you'd kill people. clown

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #63 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:04:19 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on September 22, 2021, 03:12:59 PM

I was referring to your position of "specific" which could mean something much more specific as in personal.

Regarding future and how "sharing information" could somehow derail the future, that excuse has been used a LOT to hide wrong doing. This is a separate discussion but I can cite dozen of news articles and studies that that show hiding information had led to more wrong doing than sharing it.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You really don't live in the real world

mr_reagan · « **Reply #64 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:05:10 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on September 22, 2021, 03:24:25 PM

Perhaps the New Zealand team should share with you the exact threat made to them in the interests of every bit of security information being shared as the way forward.
Perhaps you can then also share the liability costs and responsibility involved.

Providing your sitting on a personal fortune of in excess of 20 million it should be no problem.
Why don�t you contact the New Zealand and England cricket boards and suggest it.

Id love to know how you've attributed a liability cost to publishing a threat made against the NZ team who are know back in Aukland. If you're going to say there are security concerns that result in the cancelling of the tour, the least you can do is state the nature of those concerns once the team is safe.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #65 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:05:42 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on September 22, 2021, 03:54:38 PM

you contact PCB and their fans and their govt. and tell them that they don't deserve to know the truth.

again, zero idea of the real world. Stick to Cricket fella

mr_reagan · « **Reply #66 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:10:26 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on September 22, 2021, 04:03:18 PM

You're (No Swearing Please) mad if you think security should be 'shared'. Jesus, you'd kill people. clown

Depends on what the intelligence is doesn't it. Once the threat is not active anymore i struggle to see the issue. If, as im assuming is the case if NZ are to be believed, they received a threat from an affiliate of a certain noisy neighbour who just regained control of a country, once they are safe is there a significant risk in publicising that fact. On the subject of shared, if thats the case why are the British government saying they have no such intel and are not changing travel recommendations to Pakistan.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #67 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:21:39 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on September 22, 2021, 04:04:19 PM

You have no idea what you're talking about. You really don't live in the real world

You are implying: a.) You have an idea. b.) You live in the "real world".

Three fingers are pointing right back at you.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #68 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:23:34 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on September 22, 2021, 04:05:42 PM

again, zero idea of the real world. Stick to Cricket fella

Based on your naive views of the world, I'd say you don't have much to share about the "real world".

If you do, let me know. I am interested.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #69 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:25:33 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on September 22, 2021, 04:03:18 PM

You're (No Swearing Please) mad if you think security should be 'shared'. Jesus, you'd kill people. clown

Why does truth or fear of truth drive people like you over the edge? What are you afraid of?

Got something to share? Tell me.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #70 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:26:35 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on September 22, 2021, 04:25:33 PM

Why does truth or fear of truth drive people like you over the edge? What are you afraid of?

Got something to share? Tell me.

you're an idiot

InternalTraining · « **Reply #71 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:31:05 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on September 22, 2021, 04:26:35 PM

you're an idiot

That's all you got? Name calling?

No coherent argument? Facts?

Tell us why the England high commisioner didn't cancel the trip but ECB did? Didn't they share the same information? No secrecy act will be violated in answering that question.

I can tell that you are very important in the hierarchy of the british establishment.

brokenbat · « **Reply #72 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:52:51 PM »

We�re deviating quite a bit. The NZ team was ready to play, till their government got concerned about a very specific threat. No point speculating what that was. I can only assume it was more serious than the threatening emails that some people got. Can�t blame NZ for backing out in the circumstances.

The ecb on the other hand, was not aware of any threat. The UK govt was fine with the tour, as were the security consultants. So it was completely unjustified and a total betrayal of promises made to the pcb. Full credit to English journalists - all unanimously coming down hard on the duplicity of the ECB.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #73 on:** September 22, 2021, 04:59:20 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on September 22, 2021, 04:31:05 PM

No secrecy act will be violated in answering that question.

well done, you're aware that there is a significant act that covers such things. Then You'll be smart enough to know that making such things available to anyone outside of such channels is clearly stupid and leads to bad things.

brokenbat · « **Reply #74 on:** September 22, 2021, 05:04:42 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on September 22, 2021, 04:05:42 PM

again, zero idea of the real world. Stick to Cricket fella

Your biases have come out quite clearly in this thread. Take your vitriol and name calling elsewhere please.

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