Topic: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22 (Read 90943 times)

Rez · « **Reply #795 on:** December 28, 2021, 02:42:39 PM »

Quote from: Devondumpling00 on December 28, 2021, 12:08:40 PM

I agree the players aren�t good enough to match Australia. But there are some talented players here too. It�s up to management to get the most out of a player, that�s pretty much their job description. Under the right management group I think one or two of the players in the squad might come good.

That�s obviously just my opinion and major changes still need to be made to the scheduling and the core players. I don�t know how this group of players can get the monkey off their shoulders. It�s not possible but I�d be inclined to just replace the 10 (minus root) for the final 2 tests and see if the English lads in the Big Bash want a test and tell them just to play with freedom.

Surely that can�t be worse than 68 all out.

Totally agree with this. Yes, we aren't the most talented squad in the world but even so we are still massive underachievers and the management have to be held accountable for that. We see it all the time in other sports where a good manager will eek out the very best from a team of average players. All we are currently doing is making a group of average red ball players and making them look completely useless.

We all know it wasn't the perfect setup with no warm up matches and the whole covid situation but the biggest problem is that they seemingly have no belief and no fight within the squad and that is the fault of the management. It rolls down the hill.....

golders · « **Reply #796 on:** December 28, 2021, 02:57:33 PM »

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/dec/28/after-awful-ashes-defeat-will-england-will-ever-be-good-at-test-cricket-again-cricket-australia

six and out · « **Reply #797 on:** December 28, 2021, 03:49:26 PM »

Quote from: golders on December 28, 2021, 02:57:33 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/dec/28/after-awful-ashes-defeat-will-england-will-ever-be-good-at-test-cricket-again-cricket-australia

This is such a good article!!

The comparison with the West Indies circa 2000 is an interesting one.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #798 on:** December 28, 2021, 03:57:41 PM »

Quote from: six and out on December 28, 2021, 03:49:26 PM

This is such a good article!!

Yes, excellent.

Duck Duck Mongoose · « **Reply #799 on:** December 28, 2021, 04:05:19 PM »

Quote from: SouthpawMark on December 28, 2021, 01:55:41 AM

He knows his best XI too apparently. That�s good then.

Yes, once the game is finished he knows what his best XI would have been. Then he picks that XI for the next match.

If only they'd stop changing grounds and conditions between games it would be a totally foolproof strategy.

golders · « **Reply #800 on:** December 28, 2021, 04:33:47 PM »

Quote from: six and out on December 28, 2021, 03:49:26 PM

This is such a good article!!

The comparison with the West Indies circa 2000 is an interesting one.

I agree! I like Jonathan Lieu a lot, the chap who wrote the article. The West Indies comparison seems quite valid I think. Perhaps they should look at the New Zealand model- they are a good side and seem to get the best out of the players they have.

Duck Duck Mongoose · « **Reply #801 on:** December 28, 2021, 05:13:11 PM »

Quote from: golders on December 28, 2021, 04:33:47 PM

I agree! I like Jonathan Lieu a lot, the chap who wrote the article. The West Indies comparison seems quite valid I think. Perhaps they should look at the New Zealand model- they are a good side and seem to get the best out of the players they have.

NZ model is great but their "no dickheads" rule would leave most of county cricket bereft of players let alone the test team...

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #802 on:** December 28, 2021, 06:10:26 PM »

Why would anyone expect a representative side to be strong if the the very thing it represents is not valued?

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #803 on:** December 28, 2021, 06:43:07 PM »

English cricket does not exist to create an England team. The England team exists to represent English cricket.

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #804 on:** December 28, 2021, 07:09:25 PM »

Quote from: Duck Duck Mongoose on December 28, 2021, 05:13:11 PM

NZ model is great but their "no dickheads" rule would leave most of county cricket bereft of players let alone the test team...

The Adam Parore rule is something the ECB should certainly look at.

ppccopener · « **Reply #805 on:** December 28, 2021, 07:57:55 PM »

Just googled this no dickheads rule-seems to come from NZ rugby, maybe the cricket team have taken this on and it works for them.

However as fans if we had a choice of some dickheads, read difficult to manage, or nice but below average talent we would take the dickheads, let�s say

KP
Thorpe
hussein

Over some of the current team it�s no contest.

If you happen to be close to the best in the world with all great blokes fantastic. But it doesn�t really work like that, NZ cricket team perhaps the exception.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #806 on:** December 28, 2021, 08:26:02 PM »

Our batting has been very poor for some time.

Who is coaching the batting?

What are the batters doing in the nets to change this?

Perhaps there is no desire for change or an inability to see the truth.

Is the captain and coach addressing the group to try to change things and are they being listened to?

Something doesn't add up here - if I represented England and was being paid �210k per year plus endorsements, I would make damn f*cking sure I didn't lose the gig. and I listened to my wise coaches, about what was required to succeed

Ergo - wrong players or wrong coaches

Rez · « **Reply #807 on:** December 28, 2021, 08:31:20 PM »

How strict would you be on a no dickheads rule? Surely Kohli is one of the biggest dickheads in world cricket?

Most of us will have played in teams that have dickheads in them at some stage and know how it can suck the energy out of everyone....

SurreySam · « **Reply #808 on:** December 28, 2021, 08:52:27 PM »

Quote from: Rez on December 28, 2021, 08:31:20 PM

How strict would you be on a no dickheads rule? Surely Kohli is one of the biggest dickheads in world cricket?

Most of us will have played in teams that have dickheads in them at some stage and know how it can suck the energy out of everyone....

Think Eoin Morgan strong, against the likes of Alex Hales knob jockeys.

six and out · « **Reply #809 on:** December 28, 2021, 09:05:44 PM »

Quote from: Rez on December 28, 2021, 08:31:20 PM

How strict would you be on a no dickheads rule? Surely Kohli is one of the biggest dickheads in world cricket?

Most of us will have played in teams that have dickheads in them at some stage and know how it can suck the energy out of everyone....

At the moment I would take 6 dickheads who could bat in a shot!

The current lot not being able to get things right is nothing to do with whether there a dickhead or not.

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