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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #870 on: January 04, 2022, 11:09:04 PM »





Looks like it's going to be a game for ducks. 


So I've come up with my Wet Weather World XI


Sunil Gavfishskar
Chris Gale
Submarine Chanderpaul
Sourav Gangplankguly
Steve Woar
Mark Woar
Younis Khanoe
Mahendra Singin'intherain Dhoni
Sir Richard Haddocklee
Shane Prawn
Jason Gillsespie


The team needed 2 Woars.  Otherwise it would be going round in circles
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #871 on: January 04, 2022, 11:11:07 PM »

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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #872 on: January 04, 2022, 11:12:22 PM »





Looks like it's going to be a game for ducks. 


So I've come up with my Wet Weather World XI


Sunil Gavfishskar
Chris Gale
Submarine Chanderpaul
Sourav Gangplankguly
Steve Woar
Mark Woar
Younis Khanoe
Mahendra Singin'intherain Dhoni
Sir Richard Haddocklee
Shane Prawn
Jason Gillsespie


The team needed 2 Woars.  Otherwise it would be going round in circles

12th man as he has recent practice preparing drinks: Roary Burns
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #873 on: January 04, 2022, 11:37:21 PM »

As for the rest of the discussion on this thread...

You can't blame the players. I think the best players in the country (bar one or two) are out there.  Changing them now will not matter one iota.

To me it's obvious that our cricket "system" is not producing high enough quality batsmen (and bowlers to a lesser extent) to be competitive with the top test teams.  So you can't blame the direct management (Managing Director, Performance Director, Coach, Captain - maybe a few others) for this.  It's out of their control.

What the direct management can control is preparation for the series and team selection.  And that has been sh!t.   Giles, Bobat, Silverwood need to go straight after the series.  I personally think they've made things worse, when they should be keeping things level as a minimum.  I would keep Root (who else is there?) but remind him how sh!t team selection was and how suspect some of the tactics on the pitch were.  Listening to Ashley Piles now on TMS, he's talking utter, utter BS.  It's worth a listen on replay. Utter, contradictory bobbins.  "We are 4 in the world in test cricket and wanted to be better.  Have we redressed that balance.  Not totally"  NOT TOTALLY?  NOT AT ALL YOU MORON.

On management, in one of the BT sport innings breaks, they interviewed Jeremy Snape.  Self-styled cricket psychologist.  WTF!  I imagine he is filling players minds with more things to worry about not less.  Get rid of immediately.  Get a normal sports psychologist as an advisor, and only if a player asks for one.

Fixing the cricket system?  Many others have already said.

-  Better quality pitches that mean 1) batsmen have a chance to build an innings rather than hit quick runs before they have a ball with their name on 2) Bowlers have to bowl better to take wickets 3) Spinners get a chance to influence games. 
-  Bring the County Championship into the whole of the Summer.  Run it in parallel to some one day competitions.  Get rid of either The Hundred or the t20 Blast.

Will the latter happen?  Doubtful.  Lip service maybe.  Unfortunately Harrison and the rest of the inept bunch of muppets that turned up and failed at the DCMS Select committee shared £21m in bonuses for a *successful* 2021 season.  For successful read profitable.  They don't care about test cricket.  They care about money.

What's worse was this was all talked about 4 years ago.  Together with the plan to fix it.  What has actually happened?  Jack Sh!t


Edited to add more sweary words because the same situation arose the last time we were out there.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #874 on: January 05, 2022, 12:14:24 AM »


-  Better quality pitches that mean 1) batsmen have a chance to build an innings rather than hit quick runs before they have a ball with their name on 2) Bowlers have to bowl better to take wickets 3) Spinners get a chance to influence games.

As part of the 2019 ashes preparation, all australian sheffield shield teams used the Dukes ball for half of their games.  The seam bowlers all loved it, but it was found to be detrimental to spin bowling, as the spinners hardly got given the ball when the seamers were all bowling hand grenades.
Since the 2019 ashes they have gone back to the Kookaburra ball, for the exact reasons you mentioned above.  I'm not saying better pitches won't make better cricket, but combine better pitches with a different ball and the change in the game will be massive.
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« Reply #875 on: January 05, 2022, 12:44:37 AM »

Looks to be very back and forth with all the rain around.
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« Reply #876 on: January 05, 2022, 06:42:56 AM »

England have bowled pretty well today, they've been a bit unlucky. You have to admire how Harris and Labuschagne have survived though, very good test match batting.

HA! I'M CLAIMING THAT WICKET JIMMY!
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« Reply #877 on: January 05, 2022, 11:58:09 AM »

Looks like a solid effort from the bowling unit last night.

I’m not sure whether it would be frustrating to keep coming on and off for rain, or it’s a benefit to get your feet up and watch the effect the rain has on the pitch and outfield.

I’ll enjoy the early start tonight!
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #878 on: January 05, 2022, 12:56:19 PM »

As part of the 2019 ashes preparation, all australian sheffield shield teams used the Dukes ball for half of their games.  The seam bowlers all loved it, but it was found to be detrimental to spin bowling, as the spinners hardly got given the ball when the seamers were all bowling hand grenades.
Since the 2019 ashes they have gone back to the Kookaburra ball, for the exact reasons you mentioned above.  I'm not saying better pitches won't make better cricket, but combine better pitches with a different ball and the change in the game will be massive.


You're right.  If it's a temporary measure for preparation, to swap from Kook to Dukes would be a quicker as an exercise in control, as the ball is doing more work.  The other way around will take longer as the bowler's action is going to have to do more of the work.

My question would be how much do we want to change permanently, and how much "identity" are we prepared to lose compared to the benefits gained by bowling with a less helpful Kook ball.   Someone on comms today said speak to Dukes and get them to make a less pronounced seam ball. 

On another comms note, many of the ex-cricketer Aussie commentators on Fox were very complimentary about the England performance today and seem, in general, desperate for our lot to be better to make game of it.
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« Reply #879 on: January 05, 2022, 02:09:36 PM »

Sounds like it’s been a very difficult tour off the field too with Covid affecting us a bit more than them.

No excuses but we did need selection and management right just to compete.

This tour may not be all doom and gloom if some good comes out of it ie some management sackings.

We have got to the point where changing a Bairstow for Pope makes no difference so we just have to work with the younger batsmen and hope they come good. Our bowling seems much healthier with Wood Anderson Woakes Leach Overton Etc
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« Reply #880 on: January 05, 2022, 02:22:20 PM »

Sounds like it’s been a very difficult tour off the field too with Covid affecting us a bit more than them.

No excuses but we did need selection and management right just to compete.

This tour may not be all doom and gloom if some good comes out of it ie some management sackings.

We have got to the point where changing a Bairstow for Pope makes no difference so we just have to work with the younger batsmen and hope they come good. Our bowling seems much healthier with Wood Anderson Woakes Leach Overton Etc

Nor sure our bowling looks much healthier, especially in Oz conditions. Woakes has proved ineffective in Oz again, Wood we have to carefully manage, Anderson is class but obviously at the very end of his career and Leach just simply isn't the answer. Robinson is good but would be so much better with more pace and Overton is very similar again.

 It would have been great to have had Archer and Stone to call upon for some added pace, which i certainly think along with a world class spinner, is something we always seen to lack.
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« Reply #881 on: January 05, 2022, 02:28:37 PM »

Nor sure our bowling looks much healthier, especially in Oz conditions. Woakes has proved ineffective in Oz again, Wood we have to carefully manage, Anderson is class but obviously at the very end of his career and Leach just simply isn't the answer. Robinson is good but would be so much better with more pace and Overton is very similar again.

 It would have been great to have had Archer and Stone to call upon for some added pace, which i certainly think along with a world class spinner, is something we always seen to lack.

Yes it would your right but I don’t see Archer or Stone playing any test cricket in the future. On the sidelines is Mahmoud who has looked ok in the one dayers he played. If Robinson stays fit he may well displace Broad in the next year. You could argue Robinson is a better bowler now.

Parkinson is also tipped to break thru, that could be an option for us should Leach not work out.
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« Reply #882 on: January 05, 2022, 03:44:20 PM »

Yes it would your right but I don’t see Archer or Stone playing any test cricket in the future. On the sidelines is Mahmoud who has looked ok in the one dayers he played. If Robinson stays fit he may well displace Broad in the next year. You could argue Robinson is a better bowler now.

Parkinson is also tipped to break thru, that could be an option for us should Leach not work out.

I tend to agree with Jonny here. I think our bowling arsenal looks pretty bare too. I have no doubt that we can churn out more bowling suitable to English conditions, of course we can, think Overton etc. The spinner has been a problem for a number of years now and I don't imagine Archer playing much test cricket in general. Im not sure it'll be worth his time and I don't blame him.

Robinson will feature for many years, and he's shown he can offer something overseas too. I'm not sure where the other two genuine quicks and spinner is coming from yet, though. The attack on the next tour could well be worse than what we have currently.
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« Reply #883 on: January 05, 2022, 04:46:15 PM »

England have bowled pretty well today, they've been a bit unlucky. You have to admire how Harris and Labuschagne have survived though, very good test match batting.

HA! I'M CLAIMING THAT WICKET JIMMY!

Think Nelson will be claiming that one as their second wicket of the Ashes series   :)
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« Reply #884 on: January 05, 2022, 06:25:00 PM »

I tend to agree with Jonny here. I think our bowling arsenal looks pretty bare too. I have no doubt that we can churn out more bowling suitable to English conditions, of course we can, think Overton etc. The spinner has been a problem for a number of years now and I don't imagine Archer playing much test cricket in general. Im not sure it'll be worth his time and I don't blame him.

Robinson will feature for many years, and he's shown he can offer something overseas too. I'm not sure where the other two genuine quicks and spinner is coming from yet, though. The attack on the next tour could well be worse than what we have currently.

I don’t disagree on the whole we do tend to turn out medium pacers quite well and the genuine quicks of the last couple of years have mostly not materialised due to injury. The only one we have who has stayed fit is Wood.

The thing I think is worth bearing in mind is with a spinner, our pitches are not helping any development as they are more in favour of seamers early season and late season.

The one thing Ali or leach have not had is runs on the board to bowl at.

Swann was a very good bowler for us but I’d like to see him cleaning up with no attacking fields and 150 on the board most of the time. It just would not happen.
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