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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2021, 05:25:31 PM »

Vaughan dumped from the BBC five live show he will be dropped like a hot potato now by all media.

As with anything in life, if you make a mistake own up and say sorry then deal with whatever comes your way.

With a whole clear out coming very soon I wonder how many of us 2 days ago would think Ballance himself, his apology and explanation of his relationship with Rafiq would come out of this ok(so far).

It’s quite clear many at Yorkshire have refused to comment on the report, covered it up and delayed it and therefore wanted it under the carpet.

Now what was a big problem is now absolutely huge.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2021, 08:24:04 PM »

Gale will be the next to go as coach.
Am pretty sure he was skipper at the time too.

The thing about Vaughan is that he does not realise the stuff he has done is bad.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2021, 09:09:36 PM »

Vaughan will find a home in politics, I have little doubt.  :(
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2021, 10:42:08 PM »

An anonymous player now coming forward and if the allegations are true it’s going to get a lot worse for Yorkshire.

It’s completely out of control now for the club and you wonder what will happen as the days go on and maybe someone else comes forward.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2021, 11:07:54 PM »

What's the betting that Vaughan will spend the next 6 months telling us he's been 'silenced' whilst speaking on a major platform? That's usually how these things go isn't it
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2021, 11:14:25 PM »

What's the betting that Vaughan will spend the next 6 months telling us he's been 'silenced' whilst speaking on a major platform? That's usually how these things go isn't it

I believe the term is 'cancelled'.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2021, 11:51:09 PM »

Gotta look at the amateur game aswell how many BAME players play Saturday cricket. I know in my local team they only have 3 players from BAME across 3 team senior saturday teams despite having a large BAME community.

We also have 6 teams from my local area playing in a sunday league which is mostly made up of BAME players because they don't have the opportunities to play on Saturday's. All these teams have there home grounds(rented) upto 30mins away.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2021, 03:19:29 AM »

I don't believe there is a problem with participation levels. I seem to remember reading somewhere that British Asians are six ties more likely to play recreational cricket than British whites.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2021, 08:37:12 AM »

Can honestly say I have not seen exclusion at amateur levels as played in a mostly Asian side when younger and was quite fun, got abused plenty by the teams of all colours

At amateur level this is like football more and more, abuse gone from funny and clever to just personal and abusive in last 10-15 years I have noticed as people see top level doing it more so think it’s ok

I’m glad this report has come out as properly done with investigators proving wrong doing so heads should roll not just court of public opinion on social media hounding people they don’t like
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2021, 09:07:39 AM »

Yes, there is a big problem with 'sledging' more generally in amateur cricket.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2021, 12:41:43 PM »

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1518581/racism-yorkshire-cricket-club-azeem-rafiq

Just been catching up with this, not sure where it got to but the employment tribunal claim has been settled.  Lord Patel has met with Azeem Rafiq and he will publish the report to those with "legal interest".  Rafiq has stated that Moxon, Arthur and most of the coaching staff should go.  Will be interesting to see where this ends as, while I am sad this has happened to Yorkshire, it shows there is a lot of work to be done here and across all of cricket as a whole.

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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2021, 12:55:29 PM »

I don't believe there is a problem with participation levels. I seem to remember reading somewhere that British Asians are six ties more likely to play recreational cricket than British whites.

I don't think participation at grass roots is the issue.

Its the step up in the professional game. Requires a lot of practice, input from coaches which most working class state kids cant afford. The kit is expensive and also requires good family structure to ensure kids are travelling to sessions and games all over the place. I'ts a huge effort.

It's probably why so many public school kids succeed whereas state schools don't in the same ratios. I don't for a second blame the richer kids, it's not their fault and as any parent would do if they could afford it they would spend on their kids.

I know one young lad who has had serious amounts of cash spent on him by his father. Hours and hours of coaching and attends a well o do school where they have more than 1 cricket ground that's probably better than most local league grounds. The kid and his dad are lovely people and I wish them well.

The kid has come on leaps and bounds and was told by a coach he needed to move to a bigger club that played a higher stanadrd.

However I've seen kids probably with better natural ability (both Asian and white) but will never progress as the kid I mentioned has done. Going to a public school with all the structure and support makes a difference. The way of the world.




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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2021, 01:07:48 PM »

The above post is one of the best posts I have read on this forum and is the biggest issue faced in cricket and in Yorkshire around Leeds I have noticed
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2021, 01:16:51 PM »

The reason that so many kids in private schools move on to the next level is because its played at school....a lot!  with full time cricket coaches & great facilities. Typically these coaches are ex Pro's who can find a way into the game for their players.





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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2021, 01:51:37 PM »

There is a massive commitment - both time and money - that parents have to give up if their child is to make it through the pathways into the professional game in cricket.  You look at the sacrifices that the fathers of Moeen Ali and Haseeb Hameed and you can see why those from elite backgrounds dominate the professional game.  Someone from Marcus Rashford's background would have almost no chance of a career as a professional cricketer.  If you then add to that a culture of institutional racism at a club with the taken pool that Yorkshire has, it isn't hard to see why the England test side is drawn from such a narrow homogeneous group
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