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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2021, 01:55:44 PM »

It’s a significant issue the club are saying….and we don’t know if it’s true….that they cannot sack anyone without permission from the Colin Graves Trust.

If this is correct it may explain why those that wanted to clean up, and there must be those people at the club, had no authority to do so including the head honcho.

That situation essentially is a toothless and powerless management team.

I’d be interested to know if that really is the situation.

To the best of my understanding, this veto on Board appointments was introduced in 2016 when Graves moved to the ECB.  It seems something of a sham to give the impression of independence of Yorkshire from Graves, but leaving his family able to still expert a measure of control by dictating who can sit on the Board

https://yorkshireccc.com/news/view/4487/yorkshire-announce-annual-profit-for-the-first-time-since-2009
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2021, 01:59:25 PM »

Of course he's been 'advised' what to say!

If he was seen to have been complicit in allowing a racist dressing-room culture to exist then surely his job as England captain would be untenable?
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2021, 02:00:49 PM »

Let’s go with the fact ecb have forced or pushed root to say this


What kind of man does this make Root then ?

Not as good a man as I thought he was.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #78 on: November 16, 2021, 02:02:00 PM »

Can’t see how root gets out of this

If he just said he saw it and he wants nothing to do with this as it’s totally wrong
And nothing to do with him or part of his ethos he comes out so strong

But he’s taken the approach which is wrong
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #79 on: November 16, 2021, 02:09:26 PM »

Let’s go with the fact ecb have forced or pushed root to say this


What kind of man does this make Root then ?

If we do assume that is the situation, then it would make him no better or worse than any other person who makes a wholly understandable choice to protect their livelihood and career in the face of pressure from their employer.

Do remember that there is no suggestion Root himself was ever involved in racist behaviour at Yorkshire. We'd all like to imagine we'd take a stand but in practice I think it is probably quite a lot harder than we all think it is. Just need to look at the abuse Rafiq has received for speaking out.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #80 on: November 16, 2021, 02:11:52 PM »

Let’s go with the fact ecb have forced or pushed root to say this


What kind of man does this make Root then ?

Just playing devil's advocate here, is it a fact he's lying and a fact the ECB have pushed him to say this?
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2021, 02:12:35 PM »

I think actually he would become a hero

Not asking him to take a stand 

Asking him did you see it or not that's it
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« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2021, 02:16:57 PM »

I think actually he would become a hero

Not asking him to take a stand 

Asking him did you see it or not that's it

You mean in the same way Rafiq has been universally praised as a hero for speaking out? He was receiving death threats as recently as last week.

I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to become embroiled in this, even if it is a cop out. The blame should be directed at the organisations who allowed this culture to continue, not on individuals who weren't even involved in the behaviour in question.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #83 on: November 16, 2021, 02:18:44 PM »

I think we have both said our pieces and given  fair side to both arguments :)
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #84 on: November 16, 2021, 02:19:39 PM »

I think actually he would become a hero

Not asking him to take a stand 

Asking him did you see it or not that's it

Imagine living with a bloke that called lots of people not named Kevin 'Kevin' and not noticing he had this habit...
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #85 on: November 16, 2021, 02:26:24 PM »

Could have been too busy shadow batting ?
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #86 on: November 16, 2021, 04:03:33 PM »

understanding a bit more why Morgan has been so reluctant to pick hales, but i also think hales is thick as 2 short planks so maybe didnt understand 100% the full meaning (not defending him at all - even if hes only guilty of being a moron)
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #87 on: November 16, 2021, 04:13:33 PM »

Missed most of this- there was more revealed about Ballance I think? Sorry state of affairs for cricket in England full stop.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #88 on: November 16, 2021, 04:46:28 PM »

A bit more on Ballance, clearly him and Rafiq were good friends but that relationship deteriorated. Rafiq’s opinion is the club went downhill rapidly when Gillespie left and Alex Lees was no longer Captain and replaced by Ballance.

It seems like racist terms were accepted at the club and became the norm.

It also came out the management were toothless and any big decisions such as sacking had to be rubber stamped by the Colin Graves Trust which props them up financially.So those that wanted to do something had their hands tied somewhat.

The only thing I think myself about the whole thing is the difference between banter between good friends and racism that runs thru an organisation who turn a blind eye to anything serious.

The issue of what is banter is a moot point. Rafiq called Ballance Zimbo from Zimbabwe, is that a derogatory term?

I have played with a Zimbabwean and we called him Zim or Zimmer, never was that term used in a deregatory manner.

However I grew up in West London in a multiracial city so I know the term P… is offensive.

What I’m saying in the line between good friends is a difficult one.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #89 on: November 16, 2021, 04:52:02 PM »

Alex Lees was only ever a one-day captain. He was never club captain. Ballance took over from Andrew Gale, who retired from playing and immediately became a coach under Gillespie.
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