Topic: Handles...discuss (Read 3537 times)

jonny77 · « **on:** September 17, 2022, 11:18:19 PM »

So, a comment on the Dream Bat thread and a request from a customer this week made me curious to gain peoples opinions on handles.

More specifically, whip. Is this a good thing? What do people mean by whip? Whats the perceived benefit, or is it actually detrimental?

Jimbo · « **Reply #1 on:** September 18, 2022, 01:17:34 AM »

IMO, it might be positive in terms of feel but in terms of facts it seems pretty clear that a whippy handle means less power into your shots.

Jimmy Tiwana · « **Reply #2 on:** September 18, 2022, 01:22:21 AM »

Great question!

To me, whip means some sort of flexibility in the handle.

I used to think that "whip" is a good thing. A whippy handle bat will transfer some extra energy to the ball on its impact with the blade and thus creating a more pingy bat.

Lately, I have been told that the handle should be stiff and not with a whip. Am not clear on the physics part of this argument, but will be keen to hear from others on what they think.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #3 on:** September 18, 2022, 02:59:23 AM »

Whip vs no whip?

It is one thing to experience something and then being "told" that is not right.

I have hit with a whippy handle and it felt great. Also, the ball went faaaaar as well.

I can also hit a ball far with a non-whippy handle but it just doesn't feel that great.

A whippy (springy) handle that is whippy by design and not because (of damage) it is breaking is great!

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 18, 2022, 07:10:03 AM »

Would also love to know what�s meant by a Whippy handle? Most agree that GM are the best handle shapes, size etc but by design are stiff and imo is why people feel that they are �pressed� hard, they are not they just have a stiff handle and last generally a long time. So is a �whippy� handle something that�s stick thin from someone like SS on a big profile bat that performs quickly but often breaks quickly as well.

Yorkershire · « **Reply #5 on:** September 18, 2022, 12:26:34 PM »

I've also been told whippy handle is a bendy flexible one...

But I've always preferred stiffer handles and felt they performed better...

cobweb1510 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 18, 2022, 03:28:27 PM »

First thing my son notices on a bat is the handle.

If it's chunky he likes it- if not it will spoil the whole feel of the bat for him. On advice from the forum, we now get an extra layer of binding put onto his handles.

brokenbat · « **Reply #7 on:** September 19, 2022, 12:25:38 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on September 18, 2022, 07:10:03 AM

Would also love to know what�s meant by a Whippy handle? Most agree that GM are the best handle shapes, size etc but by design are stiff and imo is why people feel that they are �pressed� hard, they are not they just have a stiff handle and last generally a long time. So is a �whippy� handle something that�s stick thin from someone like SS on a big profile bat that performs quickly but often breaks quickly as well.

Best example is CA and some other Pakistani manufacturers. They have 5 rubber inserts instead of 3. GN Australia is also doing this now on a few bats.

Thamesvalley · « **Reply #8 on:** September 19, 2022, 01:04:24 PM »

Seems like the place to go for handles is WCW �

David Malan just had his re handles done there

They do 4 and 6 piece

Anyone can explain the difference between 4 and 6

I believe Keeley do 6 and 12 piece ?

jonny77 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2022, 01:35:23 PM »

I had slight suspicions you had some affiliation with WCW, now I'm almost certain! 😂

jonny77 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 19, 2022, 01:45:03 PM »

For me, the handle is a really important part of any bat and not often talked about other than in shape. I hear people saying they love a whippy handle, but imo a slightly stiffer handle is preferable for power and longevity.

I see a lot of rehandles, largely due to poor quality handles which have a lot of whip/flex and you can see the cracks starting from the handle inserts, going down into the neck and into the shoulders.

A good quality handle for me has some flex, but not excessive twist or flex. It just causes issues all round imo.

4, 6 or 12 piece are obviously the amount of seperate pieces laminated together to make the handle. Depending on who you speak to depends on the pro's and cons of each. Even though they're more expensive, i now only use 12 piece as i prefer them and feel that have the right level of flex/stiffness/longevity for me. I use them in all of my bats regardless of Grade, as prefered then to the 4 piece ones i used.

SurreySam · « **Reply #11 on:** September 19, 2022, 01:51:28 PM »

Marc from cricketbatinfo has done a great video featuring the carbon composite handles. Would love to try one of those handles out.

https://youtu.be/gD89lHwoEE0

Thamesvalley · « **Reply #12 on:** September 19, 2022, 02:03:03 PM »

Honestly no affiliation to wcw

I believe you also do thicker handles for
Your bats . Although I may be wrong did you have some link to wcw when you started ?

Is a 4 piece handle more flexi or whippey than a 12 piece

And a 12 piece slightly heavier ?

Bungle · « **Reply #13 on:** September 19, 2022, 02:54:42 PM »

Quote from: SurreySam on September 19, 2022, 01:51:28 PM

Marc from cricketbatinfo has done a great video featuring the carbon composite handles. Would love to try one of those handles out.

https://youtu.be/gD89lHwoEE0

Looks great, I wish there were more things like this in the game. There has been a few innovations but all seem to just get banned after someone ends up pushing the boat out too far.

jonny77 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 19, 2022, 03:45:46 PM »

Quote from: Thamesvalley on September 19, 2022, 02:03:03 PM

Honestly no affiliation to wcw

I believe you also do thicker handles for
Your bats . Although I may be wrong did you have some link to wcw when you started ?

Is a 4 piece handle more flexi or whippey than a 12 piece

And a 12 piece slightly heavier ?

No link mate mate. What makes you say that?

On the handles, I can shape them to any thickness and shape, add they come in pretty chunky. On my stock bats I'll generally make then to a med (med to thick maybe by today's stds) semi oval as std.

As i said, suppose it depends on who you speak to as top the more whip etc. 12 piece trend to be slightly heavier in my experience and a little firmer. As i said, perhaps for me as i thick too much whip/flex causes issues with the shoulders personally. Its all opinions tho.

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