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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2022, 09:07:40 PM »

Seems a foot in the door at GM isn't the dream opportunity one might imagine?  ;)

Honestly what garbage.
Young batmaker gets apprenticeship at GM. Completes his apprenticeship and 7 years there, gets an opportunity to learn a different batmaking experience so moves jobs to Hell4leather and does really well making fabulous bats.

Decides the time is right to lead his own brand.

That is brave and costly, especially at the moment.
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2022, 09:20:54 PM »

He must have a lot of experience after working at Gm. Be great to see him post on here

Just checked the socials, just released two bats as well for sale

Although the second 1 would not pass as a g3 even, price is very high . Pink stickers , I guess grading is subjective .

You are away with the fairies if you think that bat wouldn't pass for a G3 in the current market.  No doubt those of us who have been playing for a while will notice the general reduction of what will pass for higher grades, but that is is market now
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2022, 09:23:58 PM »

Honestly what garbage.
Young batmaker gets apprenticeship at GM. Completes his apprenticeship and 7 years there, gets an opportunity to learn a different batmaking experience so moves jobs to Hell4leather and does really well making fabulous bats.

Decides the time is right to lead his own brand.

That is brave and costly, especially at the moment.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought he might have wanted to stay there.
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2022, 09:26:09 PM »

* Didn't realize 7 years + had passed. :o
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2022, 10:15:32 AM »

You are away with the fairies if you think that bat wouldn't pass for a G3 in the current market.  No doubt those of us who have been playing for a while will notice the general reduction of what will pass for higher grades, but that is is market now

Without sounding rude to the batmaker as buzz has mentioned what he is doing is brave and commended in todays climate

I hope he does extremely well in his new venture

However the bat is listed as a grade 1 and ya agree it may pass as a grade 3
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2022, 10:33:39 AM »

Without sounding rude to the batmaker as buzz has mentioned what he is doing is brave and commended in todays climate

I hope he does extremely well in his new venture

However the bat is listed as a grade 1 and ya agree it may pass as a grade 3

I would probably agree it doesn't look like a G1 but, to play devil's advocate for a second, if the cleft was bought as a G1 and the marks only revealed themselves during shaping/sanding then it's a bit more understandable.
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2022, 01:50:50 PM »

My thoughts on the topic.

Background: avid keeley user, have held and been on the end of some good performances with players using WCW.

I’d go Keeley.

I was really impressed by the WCW’s that I picked up performance wise, just bouncing a ball on them and they had a nice feel. They were certainly going well out in the middle as one bloke smashed it round at ease against us. Might have just been the player though.

There was something about the balance of the Orca shape that I just didn’t like though. It was supposed to be a light bat and in my hands didn’t feel it. Of course personal opinion and the owner loved it.
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2022, 02:06:35 PM »

@Thamesvalley - always a fun thread when it gets to grading! There's no actual 'industry standard' so it really just comes down to how each brand wants to grade their bats - as a natural product, having a proper industry standard would be difficult outside of purely looking at just the cosmetics of the bat (and then do you grade at the raw cleft stage or the finished article when it could look completely different? Does the quality of the handle get taken into account etc etc?!)

In my own case, whilst I buy my bats at various predetermined 'grades', I also re-assess all the bats I receive and put them into one of my own four 'grades' so I take very little notice of what 'grade' they've been sent to me as. I downgrade more bats than anything, and it's only based on my own personal thoughts towards the looks of the willow. My return rate on bats for the past 12 months is 0.52% so I'm confident I've got the process pretty much nailed on now.

As for the performance, it's again a can of worms but I've said it no end of times to people coming in-store. I find there's such fine margins in performance between the highest and lowest grades that I'll never recommend someone spends the big bucks on a top grade unless they absolutely have their heart set on it. I'd much rather see someone leave with change in their pocket and still get a great bat. If a bats pressed properly then it almost always doesn't matter what it looks like.

Ask @velvetsky01 about my own bat, it's a mess of a 'G3' and I still can't bring myself to part with it regardless of how many times it's been stuck back together :D
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2022, 02:13:16 PM »

@Neon Cricket it certainly is a lovely stick! And has done lots of damage to opposition bowlers figures this season for sure
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2022, 02:36:46 PM »

You know what neon good on you

Iv heard so many big brands repeat the high grades means much better performance

One of them on this thread is guilty of that

The more it’s accepted the grading has no impact on the performance the better

However I’m not paying 350 400 for a bad looker, if that becomes the norm it’s not going in the right direction
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2022, 04:03:34 PM »

Sure this point has been made to death, but would you pay £350 for a bat guaranteed to be a gun or your money back? Suspect if you got a plank from Keeley (unlikely in my experience) they would be happy to sort you out.
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2022, 04:51:24 PM »

Also you need to factor in if you’re going to sell in future

If you are not then a no quibble refund is valuable 
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2022, 05:36:31 PM »

If a bats pressed properly then it almost always doesn't matter what it looks like.

100% agree with this
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2022, 08:24:52 PM »

As Adam said, people will Grade differently. I've seen lots recently online as G1+ which are imo G2. However, most people buying bats don't care too much, or don't understand. A bit like how not many people consider if the bat will most likely be drier, or what handles are used etc.

I will generally clefts at the grade i got them in at or grade some down. On a rare occasion one or two will go up if after planing the face and trimming the cleft to size, certain blemishes disappear. But generally people may get a very nice G3 or G2 instead, like in my recent post for example. Which many would class as a G1 imo.

My current bat I've used now for two seasons is a G2, will be using it again this year as I love it. Grading is asthetic imo and that of many other batmakers I've spoken to.

The huge demand for willow will mean the really grainy ones become more and more rare. This will drive up their price and no doubt mean grading will change slightly spark across the grades.
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2022, 08:36:40 PM »

Going off topic but what would you guys grade a bat which is 50 percent heartwood

Iv seen many bats in IJC be grade 1 , but GM it would be graded to a 606 at 50 percent . Maybe a gun though
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