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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #150 on: December 18, 2022, 03:06:51 PM »
I always say pick your best keeper which is foakes but I think brooks form may have them scratching heads as Hairston has to come back in as one of our best but how do you drop brook now?
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #151 on: December 18, 2022, 03:40:31 PM »
The thing is they don't need another batter in that lineup. Foakes will take chances behind the gloves that neither Bairstow or Pope would dream of

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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #152 on: December 18, 2022, 03:52:30 PM »
Bairstow in to open would be a very Bazball selection, wouldn't rule it out.
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #153 on: December 18, 2022, 04:09:42 PM »
Leach could be vulnerable on seaming wickets with an attack of 3 seamers plus Root and Stokes. Leaving a fairly handy 5-8 of Brook, Stokes, Bairstow, Foakes. Obviously very dependant on Stokes fitness to bowl

NZ under McCullum quite often went in without a specialist spinner on green wickets.
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #154 on: December 18, 2022, 04:19:36 PM »
Quote from: alba caerulea on December 18, 2022, 04:09:42 PM
Leach could be vulnerable on seaming wickets with an attack of 3 seamers plus Root and Stokes. Leaving a fairly handy 5-8 of Brook, Stokes, Bairstow, Foakes. Obviously very dependant on Stokes fitness to bowl

NZ under McCullum quite often went in without a specialist spinner on green wickets.

Livingstone/Jacks at 8 + Root's spin, I imagine.
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #155 on: December 18, 2022, 04:24:51 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on December 18, 2022, 04:19:36 PM
Livingstone/Jacks at 8 + Root's spin, I imagine.

That wouldnt solve the problem of getting bairstow, brook and foakes into the same side

And a 2nd part time spinner would be fairly pointless on a green seamer

I think Livingstone and Jacks were very much horses for courses picks. Cant see either getting a game in SA, NZ or at home
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #156 on: December 18, 2022, 04:27:08 PM »
Quote from: rickjames on December 18, 2022, 03:40:31 PM
The thing is they don't need another batter in that lineup. Foakes will take chances behind the gloves that neither Bairstow or Pope would dream of


Have you forgot how good Bairstow was this summer?! 😆
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #157 on: December 18, 2022, 05:03:36 PM »
Short memories

Bairstow gets in the side and brook stays in

Should not drop foakes

Duckett has to go

Bairstow could open although not sure he wants too versus Aussies
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #158 on: December 18, 2022, 06:36:34 PM »
Brook and Baistow have to play in the same side when fit and Foakes is the one to make way. In spinning conditions, foakes is a useful batsman and his keeping becomes more important but he is weak against quick bowling and a specialist keeper is a luxury sides can't afford to carry
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #159 on: December 18, 2022, 07:03:33 PM »
So what happens when catches are not taken or dropped or not attempted against the best batsman

Who’s going to make up them runs …
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #160 on: December 18, 2022, 07:10:22 PM »
I mean these problems are a luxury considering quite how terrible the England test side was only a few months ago.
I think many of us felt that the cupboard was pretty bare... Now look at us!

I'll take a Bairstow/Brook/Foakes debate over a 'who the hell can possibly open for England' debate with murmurs of an Alastair Cook recall.
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #161 on: December 18, 2022, 07:36:01 PM »
None of it solves the opener issue, as not sure Duckett was a long term option. Probably more a choice for this tour, as he's a good player of spin. Unless you open with Bairstow or Brook, but not sure thats the way I'd see it. I'd still find a dedicated opener and give the gloves to Bairstow.

The side for English conditions could look like this though if they want to keep Foakes and get Bairstow back in...

Crawley
Brook
Pope
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes
Wood/Leach
Robinson
Broad
Anderson
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #162 on: December 18, 2022, 07:47:20 PM »
Feel like Duckett is going to get a fairly long rope; he's very much the kind of player that represents how Stokes and McCullum go about it. Think for the most part this series he's done quite well

On that note it feels inevitable that they are to carry on backing Crawley
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #163 on: December 18, 2022, 08:06:27 PM »
Considering Bairstows previous unhappiness at not having a settled role in the side I think you'd be quite brave and fairly stupid to tell him he will now be opening after the year he's just had in the middle order.

Would like to see Duckett get a go in more familiar conditions as I feel it is quite harsh to rule someone out before they even had a go at something. He opens for Notts and got his runs there against the Duke ball. And has scored more runs than Crawley on this tour.

However I think if they do sacrifice an opener then Crawley will always be the one to survive under this management. Friends at the top.
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #164 on: December 18, 2022, 08:08:24 PM »
There is another point here - now that we have FINALLY found out that Jonny, at 5, knowing that he is first name on the teamsheet, is an absolute legend...why would anyone want to give him a different role?

Particularly one that wrecks a tall blokes knees, even more particularly after a protruding compound fracture?

Foakes is as good a keeper as I have seen - and I am old enough that I saw Bob Taylor in his later years and Jack Russell.  Unless he is so hopelessly exposed by extreme pace that he becomes a tail ender, which is not likely, he should be in the side.

Ony issue is how to get six guys in to five slots. 
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