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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2023, 03:29:41 PM »

30 percent is that soon ? When Gn and Gm announce their prices are they fixed for one year ?

It also went up by 25-30% last year so will effectively have doubled in price per cleft since 2022.

Yep they lock in a price list as most do when they send out their price lists.
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2023, 03:31:44 PM »

It also went up by 25-30% last year so will effectively have doubled in price per cleft since 2022.

Yep they lock in a price list as most do when they send out their price lists.

Yep, I was told recently it'll be a ~29% increase from January/once current stock runs out, and like you say, that's on top of last year which was on average ~23% for us!

Another vote for "Don't start a cricket brand if you want to get rich quick!" :D
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« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2023, 03:35:35 PM »

Yep, I was told recently it'll be a ~29% increase from January/once current stock runs out, and like you say, that's on top of last year which was on average ~23% for us!

Another vote for "Don't start a cricket brand if you want to get rich quick!" :D

Its why I don't understand the Black Friday sales approach of flogging off bats at 30-50% off of RRP which is often below cost. They wont go off so to speak and with willow prices doubling people will be trying to get hold of bats at a reasonable budget.

People expecting further money off already discounted products is what will cripple the industry as overheads are up and they rely on margins to keep the lights on, they'll then be saying were ripping them off when having to sell a G1 bat at £400+ as the last one they bought 3 years ago only cost £200!

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« Reply #48 on: November 28, 2023, 03:44:36 PM »

Glad I'm out of it frankly.

I have a lovely GN Pro Performance gauge buster at 2'9 that looks like its only going to go up in value.....
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #49 on: November 28, 2023, 04:06:55 PM »

Thanks Cricket boutique

Have you any pics of custom h4l you have made recently for a client ? Grades top and any lower ?
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« Reply #50 on: November 28, 2023, 04:07:18 PM »

Thanks Cricket boutique

Have you any pics of custom h4l you have made recently for a client ? Grades top and any lower ?

Sounds awesome any pics
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« Reply #51 on: November 28, 2023, 04:12:51 PM »

This is why I haven't done any Black Friday stuff this year. I just don't get it and it doesn't make sense, other than to sell stuff you haven't sold for a while for whatever reason at a discount. Or just because people expect it.

@Thamesvalley this is my point though really. You're still saying you'd want 15-18mm, but why? It wouldn't help the pick up having 18mm shoulders at the edge if it was balanced terribly elsewhere. Not sure where all these ' perfect specs' have come from.  Would a 30mm toe on a dried out cleft be more prone to break than an 18mm toe on one which isn't? My match bat has a thin toe, going into it's 3rd year. Only got a few edges cracks.....obviously! 😆

Always interests me how many people will specify mm precise specs for every area of a bat, but never once ask about the willow, if it's drier, how do I get a great balance/feel and what handles are used in the bat. It's just made up numbers which seem to be more important than the quality of willow, , feel or handles etc
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #52 on: November 28, 2023, 04:14:19 PM »

Thanks Cricket boutique

Have you any pics of custom h4l you have made recently for a client ? Grades top and any lower ?

These were Pro grades to show you the kind of thing you get







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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #53 on: November 28, 2023, 04:26:46 PM »

This is why I haven't done any Black Friday stuff this year. I just don't get it and it doesn't make sense, other than to sell stuff you haven't sold for a while for whatever reason at a discount. Or just because people expect it.

@Thamesvalley this is my point though really. You're still saying you'd want 15-18mm, but why? It wouldn't help the pick up having 18mm shoulders at the edge if it was balanced terribly elsewhere. Not sure where all these ' perfect specs' have come from.  Would a 30mm toe on a dried out cleft be more prone to break than an 18mm toe on one which isn't? My match bat has a thin toe, going into it's 3rd year. Only got a few edges cracks.....obviously! 😆

Always interests me how many people will specify mm precise specs for every area of a bat, but never once ask about the willow, if it's drier, how do I get a great balance/feel and what handles are used in the bat. It's just made up numbers which seem to be more important than the quality of willow, , feel or handles etc

I should have added at the time having a thick shoulder say 15mm ish or a bit more and a thin light handle and a thick toe is really not gonna help at all

When I pick bats I always look at the pick up feels and the handle thickness etc

But I do like thick shoulders with a thick handle

Not fussed about edge size as much as in don’t require 40mm or a 67mm spine or how thick the toe is

Pressing is important just as much ,, quality of the wood is hard to gauge .. I assume or have assumed most Gm and Keeley bats are of good quality

Keeley handles do tend to be thin apart from the odd exception

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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #54 on: November 28, 2023, 04:34:50 PM »

Not just GM or Keeley, there's are a lot of brands who take pride in what they do and will have good QC on their willow. However, I've also seem alleged top end bats from some of the biggest brands which have obvious storm damage. Also, thick handles don't necessarily mean good quality.

My point was, people aren't really looking for what are imo, key factors to consider when buying a bat. It's just become a race to get to the biggest specs regardless.

What that has to do with Etsy tho I have no idea! 😂
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #55 on: November 28, 2023, 04:36:12 PM »

Yep, I was told recently it'll be a ~29% increase from January/once current stock runs out, and like you say, that's on top of last year which was on average ~23% for us!

Another vote for "Don't start a cricket brand if you want to get rich quick!" :D
Soon cricket will be only for those with elite class. What is causing this much hike in prices every year?
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2023, 04:38:58 PM »

Thee were custom pros





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« Reply #57 on: November 28, 2023, 04:41:42 PM »

Soon cricket will be only for those with elite class. What is causing this much hike in prices every year?

Demand, when demand outstrips supply and people are scrabbling around for it you can charge what u like 😳
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« Reply #58 on: November 28, 2023, 04:52:14 PM »

Yep, as I've said. You can't sell at high prices if the demand isn't there. It's a complex issue and there are many factors. I've had some small brands contact me over the last few years asking if I'd make bats for them. When you get into it they want mainly grade 1. If everyone, including batmakers and brands are wanting the same willow, it will only go one way. Plus in order to get that willow, you have to buy the other grades too, so obviously that goes up too and there isn't much you can do about it.

Bats don't last as long generally either. Whether that's down to the style of cricket now played, there sheet volume or the way bats are being made to give customers what they're demanding, who can say. But it again increases the need for more and more willow. Supply and demand.

Add to that costs for willow suppliers have no doubt gone up. Utilities, labour, machinery etc. So inevitabley the customer pays more. It's not like they all have their own small willow plantations either. Landowners who have willow will know it's in demand and will then hike prices no doubt.
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2023, 05:34:29 PM »

It’s a tough one as isn’t the buying customer window being limited

And therefore effecting sales overall for retailers and manufacturers and custom bat makers ?

As prices go up the core market can’t afford to buy …even being priced out of g2… will there be a crash at some point like house prices

Maybe this will mean soon it’s all about buying butterfly ?

I would have thought potential customers are having a second think about buying new as opposed to that impulse buy
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