Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2024, 01:07:57 PM »

I don’t know the answer but do you mean one bat half a day ? I would have thought there are finishing for dispatch or ready to be sold to retailers at least 3-7 bats a day

1000 clefts is near enough 3 a day …

You may be right it depends how much machine work is the final part and the size of the operation I guess.

I’ve seen bats belt sanded but the actual final polishing it goes thru may be a bit out of date to presume that’s done by hand.

Again….I don’t know but you would think a larger operation it is all done by machine….the smaller batmakers in the UK perhaps there still is fine sanding by hand
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2024, 03:04:00 PM »

Makes a lot of sense this - polishing a bat to a fine finish has no impact at all on performance and takes a fair bit of time and equipment (=money).
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2024, 04:29:04 PM »

Makes a lot of sense this - polishing a bat to a fine finish has no impact at all on performance and takes a fair bit of time and equipment (=money).

This is my opinion as a humble consumer. By the time I've knocked the bat in, stuck a protective face on there and had a net then the Instagram-worthy shine is gone anyway. If that saves the maker some hassle and me a hundred quid then I am all the way in on that deal.
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2024, 06:08:33 PM »

Good marketing on expensive bats to start with.
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2024, 01:14:45 AM »

High quality finishing has never been important to me - I am sure somewhere in the subconscious thought process, there is a reluctance to throwing a perfectly crafted object at a hard cricket ball - given how battered a bat quickly becomes.  I do wonder though what direction Salix are heading to as a brand.

Their USP has always been entirely hand crafted bats finished to an exceptional level and they have priced accordingly. Once you start chucking out Indian part-mades and offering discounts for rough finished products, the brand starts looking expensive and an appallingly build website is hardly likely to attract new custom
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2024, 07:21:05 AM »

High quality finishing has never been important to me - I am sure somewhere in the subconscious thought process, there is a reluctance to throwing a perfectly crafted object at a hard cricket ball - given how battered a bat quickly becomes.  I do wonder though what direction Salix are heading to as a brand.

Their USP has always been entirely hand crafted bats finished to an exceptional level and they have priced accordingly. Once you start chucking out Indian part-mades and offering discounts for rough finished products, the brand starts looking expensive and an appallingly build website is hardly likely to attract new custom

Hi, thank you for your thoughts. I am James, the Founder of The Cricket Store. I just wanted to follow up as I saw you mentioned the build of the website was below your expectations. It would be great to understand how we can improve it?

We’ve partnered with Salix like many other bat makers to offer a retail experience which better serves them and you the customer. If there are things we can be doing better please let me know. Happy to share my number directly if easier & thank you once again!
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2024, 11:37:14 AM »

Hi, thank you for your thoughts. I am James, the Founder of The Cricket Store. I just wanted to follow up as I saw you mentioned the build of the website was below your expectations. It would be great to understand how we can improve it?

We’ve partnered with Salix like many other bat makers to offer a retail experience which better serves them and you the customer. If there are things we can be doing better please let me know. Happy to share my number directly if easier & thank you once again!

I could be wrong here, but I think he was referencing the salix website more than yours.
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2024, 12:35:52 PM »

Ah, thank you for the clarification Leachy! If you do see any points that we can improve please let me know!

We are delighted to partner with Salix and offer new innovative bats to you
« Last Edit: January 10, 2024, 01:20:18 PM by TheCricketStore »
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2024, 10:45:49 PM »

Hi, thank you for your thoughts. I am James, the Founder of The Cricket Store. I just wanted to follow up as I saw you mentioned the build of the website was below your expectations. It would be great to understand how we can improve it?

We’ve partnered with Salix like many other bat makers to offer a retail experience which better serves them and you the customer. If there are things we can be doing better please let me know. Happy to share my number directly if easier & thank you once again!

Hi James, there's no option for overseas shipping with exemption from VAT. I can refer few websites that removes VAT once address is added for shipping. Could you update your system, if possible?
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2024, 12:07:53 AM »

Hi James, there's no option for overseas shipping with exemption from VAT. I can refer few websites that removes VAT once address is added for shipping. Could you update your system, if possible?


I think they'd need to be VAT registered to do so, so if they aren't, it'll be slightly more complicated than tweaking a few settings on a website 😅
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2024, 10:00:06 PM »

Right, so there was some sunshine here today, and figured I'd probably try shed some light on the differences...


Salix Rugged Knife G1:



         


Salix Knife Finite:

         


Salix Amp G2:

      


ACID Nitric Bomb Pro:

         



Hopefully this highlights the difference, at least visually a bit better. The Salix and ACID standard finish seems to suggest that they'll have a very similar, if not identical finishing process. The thing to note about the Salix finish is that it's not necessarily the gloss mirror sheen that makes it the best on the market, but the way the shapes generally blend and the smoothness of the lines/swoops. The Rugged does not seem to sacrifice this aspect.


Now, onto a side to side comparison with a Knife Finite:

      






      


   





At this point, you might say - But Chad, they're just going to sell you G2 bats upgraded to G1 and use less work to justify the charging of a G2 price, etc etc etc. Well, lucky for you guys, this is a rather pricey experiment, so let's have a look and see...

G3 ACID:




G2 Salix:



G1/Marque Salix/Acid:

         


Players Salix (Pre-Finite era)/Finite Salix/Pro ACID:

            


I guess looking at this, Salix do seem to be fairly consistent in their grading - perhaps you could argue that the ACID Pro has that strange blemish/knot in the inside edge, or that you expect a Finite to have more than 7 grains, the G2 looks a bit more like a G1 etc, but I do think that the grading has some sort of consistency across this relatively small sample. In the end, grading is at the discretion of the maker, and I don't think Kember will have been in business this long if he was known to grade unfairly. The particular Rugged does look in the same league with the other G1s in my view.


If I had to sum up the differences, I guess the standard Salix finish gives off more of a flashy gleam, a very much prestigious product, whereas the Rugged Salix finish gives off more of a warm nostalgic glow, and the smell of linseed does evoke some fond memories. The area which both excel are in the quality of the workmanship, and the general quality control of ensuring the bats perform. Salix have never really been about HUGE large volume bats, but have always stood out with their classy look and satisfied customer base.


Is it worth it? I really couldn't say - I have no idea how long these additional processes take etc with regards to their final sanding/finishing process steps. Personally, tonnes of fine sanding and polishing will really have no effect on the function of the bat, which is to feel right in the hands, withstand the striking of some hard leather and score some runs.



PS. Apologies, I probably should have posted this on a new thread!
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2024, 08:14:51 AM »

Nice one Chad

Putting Neon aside and looking at it personally, I'd absolutely go for a rugged over the 'fully finished' model if it was me - within a few weeks of use the bats will look virtually the same anyway so why not save a few quid in the process. The pressing is the important bit and that's not changing after all!
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2024, 08:57:49 AM »

Nice one Chad

Putting Neon aside and looking at it personally, I'd absolutely go for a rugged over the 'fully finished' model if it was me - within a few weeks of use the bats will look virtually the same anyway so why not save a few quid in the process. The pressing is the important bit and that's not changing after all!

Having purchased one myself too - I agree with this and was my rationale for buying one
For me It’s an excellent idea - and gives consumers the choice.

If you want the all bells and whistles you can - it’s just going to cost you. But in essence your saving a lot of money on just the finishing - the pressing , handle and skill of the bat maker is still Salix and surely that’s what your paying for really when you buy a Salix.
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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2024, 11:38:17 AM »

Look lovely bats those Chad. Top write up as always! The lengths and expense you go to for the forum is always impressive! 😆

For me, I still can't figure out how missing out a few stages of finishing equates to saving over £200 in labour costs and therefore the reduction in overall cost of the bat by this amount, which ultimately has the same raw materials etc. But I don't know the ins and outs of the processes they use, so can't really say.

As you say tho, gives the consumer choice and a maybe more affordable way into the brand. Which is no doubt the idea behind it as some may feel their other range is out of reach in terms of cost.

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Re: Salix knife (rugged) a blip or change on bat prices?
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2024, 12:51:45 PM »

Right then, who’s doing me a grade one, 2.8 with 40mm edges, 67mm spine, 30mm toe but leave the finishing so it’s only £100 😊

Excellent research Chad. Which one are you potentially taking out in the summer?

And I must say as much as the Acid range really doesn’t do it for me, salix know how to do their more “classical stickers” don’t they. Stunning. Or maybe it’s just the photography.
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