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Re: England v india
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2024, 09:31:07 AM »
If Will Jacks was good enough to play in Pakistan, why was he not good enough for the tour to India?
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2024, 10:40:25 AM »
Yes I am surprised of the squad selection. Not really sure what the England spinner hierarchy order is anymore.
You would think match experience would play a huge part first. So why no Jacks,Dawson, Parkinson1, Parkinson2, even Rashid with all his international/world league experience.
Surely Rashid with all his tricks was worth more of a gamble of going for 5 per over with good return.
Feel sorry for English spinners really, they just get used once and never seen again.
But certain batsman are given the fearless freedom to fail for years without risk of being dropped.
I really hope Rehan Ahmad is picked regularly without fail after this tour for his development sake, as by age 21/22 he could be so experienced with many great years ahead of him.
I appreciate Team England are in a bit of a transition period but Id like to see a 4 year plan. Especially if it brings the start of decades of invincibility again.
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Re: England v india
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2024, 11:18:53 AM »
Keep up.
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Re: England v india
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2024, 03:53:26 PM »
Quote from: Purist90 on January 26, 2024, 10:40:25 AM
Especially if it brings the start of decades of invincibility again.
Lol remind me when the last time England were invincible for decades was?
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Re: England v india
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2024, 10:40:05 PM »
😂😂😂
Well there’s no point in aiming to win a few, draw a few and lose a few is there? The Windies, Australia, South Africa to extent all had times of dominating the best of a decade so surely it’s our turn by now! We had some good times with Strauss & Cook leading so I’m sure it can come round again.
We are the only team who cares about test matches so it’s got to be our turn by now. Doubter to believer 💪
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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2024, 08:10:40 AM »
Have South Africa ever dominated at all, nevermind a decade? I’d say really only 80’s Windies and 90/2000’s Australia have and were a fair way off both of them 🤣
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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2024, 10:06:34 AM »
Aside from world domination on the field  :) England have already done far better in this match than some of us may have thought

Once again we need someone to dig in and help the main batters regardless of the new Bazball way and Foakes has done it again.

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Re: England v india
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2024, 10:07:21 AM »
Love that from Pope, hell of an effort and what a difference from his innings on day one.
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Re: England v india
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2024, 10:34:58 AM »
Foakes so unlucky there. Fought well, he's still minus 50 odd in this test tho 😆
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Re: England v india
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2024, 10:43:59 AM »
For a man that normally plays spin like he has no eyes, this is a brilliant knock from Pope.
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Re: England v india
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2024, 02:25:53 PM »
Quote from: Kulli on January 27, 2024, 10:43:59 AM
For a man that normally plays spin like he has no eyes, this is a brilliant knock from Pope.

Just what I was thinking.  Maybe Baz has some actual coaching in him after all!
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Re: England v india
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2024, 05:34:24 PM »
Blimey you two are tough nuts  :). He has struggled again spin before at test level but he has scored at County level since he started.

Yes the standard of spin is poor in the Championship and yes he scores a lot of runs at the flat Oval but he is still outstanding for his age.

I have not seen anyone close to his ability as far a young players go since Joe Root.
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Re: England v india
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2024, 06:00:02 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on January 27, 2024, 05:34:24 PM
Blimey you two are tough nuts  :). He has struggled again spin before at test level but he has scored at County level since he started.

Yes the standard of spin is poor in the Championship and yes he scores a lot of runs at the flat Oval but he is still outstanding for his age.

I have not seen anyone close to his ability as far a young players go since Joe Root.

Harry Brook?
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Re: England v india
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2024, 06:31:04 PM »
Pope has massively underperformed

Today was his day good on him …

Let’s see if he can develop into a 45 plus average cricketer

Are his stats at an average of 33 disguised by his 200 plus average versus Ireland … ?
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Re: England v india
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2024, 06:38:34 PM »
Quote from: Purist90 on January 26, 2024, 10:40:25 AM
Yes I am surprised of the squad selection. Not really sure what the England spinner hierarchy order is anymore.
You would think match experience would play a huge part first. So why no Jacks,Dawson, Parkinson1, Parkinson2, even Rashid with all his international/world league experience.
Surely Rashid with all his tricks was worth more of a gamble of going for 5 per over with good return.
Feel sorry for English spinners really, they just get used once and never seen again.
But certain batsman are given the fearless freedom to fail for years without risk of being dropped.
I really hope Rehan Ahmad is picked regularly without fail after this tour for his development sake, as by age 21/22 he could be so experienced with many great years ahead of him.
I appreciate Team England are in a bit of a transition period but Id like to see a 4 year plan. Especially if it brings the start of decades of invincibility again.

Rashid had retired from CC cricket before he got his last call up in 2019 and I’m sure (might be wrong so not sure really) that in his last test he didn’t bowl or bat at all. So I’m not sure he was ever even a thought as 10th choice.

Other than that though I agree, our spinners get great horrifically.
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