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[art]

The greatest commentators are those in the stands 100 yards from the action or those in the commentary box with every electronic aid imaginaable. The electronics do not conclusively show a catch has carried or not if it is close.

I saw Dujon when keeping drop a catch and in the act of rolling over pick it up and claim it and the Australian batsman was given out. You want I should go on about how Kasper wasn't out in that fateful test because his hand was not on the bat or how many dismissals Martyn had in the same series where the ultra slow replays proved he wasn't out because he hit it.

Umpires make mistakes, players make many more mistakes, commentators are abyssmal on certain issues and spectators are worse.

If you truly want to help become an umpire and lift the standards if you are that good.

As for ganguly well frankly getting to the Indians I am heartily sick and tired of not seeing Tendulkar being given out a few times a match when hawkeye shows he is clearly out and I am heartily sick and tired of dumb commenators expressing joy that he wasn't given out by some commentating quirk. Never mind that the fools sitting at the top of the stand could tell he was out, just pat the umpire on the back for saying no because it would have been a 'brave' decision saying out. Pitching middle and off, hitting the pad slightly towards middle and would have taken middle half way up and saying no isn't a brave decision it is poor umpiring. But hey who is counting let's pick on a few players for claiming catches that the tv thought fell short or a batsman refusing to walk. Asak the famous David lamb about not walking in a County and bragging about how the umpire made a mistake. Look what happened to him. But it's okay with him I guess.

It is simple, play it by the laws, get rid of the elctronics and let the umpires decide. Umpires from the home country weren't good enough for some and now we have neutral umpires they still aren't good enough.

As I have said, there is a big opportunity out there for folks who claim to see all these to become umpires, rise to the top and improve umpiring.

Bet you won't though.

[stevie]

It's amazing how the aussies have to find excuses for their losses. Ponting was completely out of order when he told the umpire it was out, also I'm sure Warne used to shine the ball, Ponting does as well and their both nearly always chewing gum, that's an artifical substance as well isn't it?

[Sambo]

Bloody hell keeper i was making a f**king joke with the cheating thing. We do not make excuses for our losses. Clarke even said they've moved on. But when the act is deliberate mate, then it is considered cheating. But shining balls has nothing to do with spinning the ball. spin is decided by the amount of revolutions on the ball and what type of surface it hits. drift is decided by how much air is displaced by the revolution. and dip is the same principle just with topspin rather than side spin. So please just cut out that we have to find excuses for our losses. its untrue and theres not evidence to back it.

Also may we recount back to the paul collingwood incident, he told the umpire it was out. sure not the same circumstance as ponting. yet same principle. Ponting thought that he had taken the catch 100 percent. same as collingwood, thought that the nz bloke was 100 perent out too.

[stevie]

You seriously are stupid arn't you. How did you get onto spin, 'cause i mentioned Warne? I was saying he shined the ball it wasn't necessarily for him infact it probably was for your faster bowler's.

[Sambo]

geez mate whenever you say waren you mean spin

[Howzat]

Cmon lets get back to a 'structured' debate now not a slanging match.
I dont think there is a team in world cricket that doesnt 'ball tamper' to be honest!

[art]

I disagree leo.

But the pity is the ICC will not stand behind an umpire or umpires who are prepared to do something about it.

[Sambo]

yeah, mate its the icc, weakest bunch of idiots ever

[dan_griffin11]

nozza  your views are biased, and yes carbon bats are illegal, the blade may only be made of wood, and may have materials to improve the longevity.

[Nozza]

I love how australia got shredded for "claiming catches" yet you blokes from england seem to think that racial abuse is perfecly ok to be looked over,

How do you justify that?  Oh then the bloke goes the slap on his TEAM MATE tak about team player!!

[Tom]

I didn't know Harbajan was English.

[Talisman]

Does anyone here really think that the shinning of the ball using sugar from sweets in the saliva is the most illegal act carried out on a pitch. I would love to allude to other things that go on in most matches, including todays one day that would overturn the result and it is done by the Australians too but cannot tell so don't ask. The better standard you play will allow you to know how to bend or break the rules in more effective ways than sugary spit.

Banger is trying to make headlines to boost his book sales, nothing more. All you offended Aussies cannot understand this or know very little of the on pitch antics.

[Sambo]

mate ive said it was joke. A sked what your opinion was. aussies are not offended.

[art]

Hmmm Talisman. I provided a rather long answer to another thread about umpiring now and 20 years ago.

I left out a whole section on 'sharp' practice and cheating. By cheating I mean the knowing subversion of the Laws and competition rules. That is perhaps an overstatement because a large proportion of players have no practical idea of either.

On of the great pities in cricket around the world is that various clubs and associations have openly condoned cheating and openly condoned the bullying of umpires who wish to stamp it out. This of course can now be traced back to the hysterical reactions of various associations and the ICC towards an umpire(s) who actually wants to do something about it. I am doing a winter final this weekend. It will be a good hard fought game. There will be a few try on appeals and hopefully the umpiring team won't fall for any of them. There will be a little banter but almost all of it will be in good humour and the team who plays best this weekend will win.

Both captains will respect the laws and rules. If someone wants to fiddle with them then there will be consequences.

So you can go out and play at the margins or outright cheat, you can bullying the umpires knowing a large percentage will back down and let you get away with it because many associations will back a player first. And of course in your cheating mode you will blame the umpire for a 'bad' decision, at least in your eyes, that cost you the game or a wicket etc but in the end perhpas many umpires are smart, they let you desicrate the game and they let it be your call.

[Coach]

Its legal he is using his own body fluids - are you going to stop people eating before and during matches?