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Re: ENG vs PAK -
« Reply #120 on: August 09, 2010, 11:34:17 AM »

They wont drop cook in my opinion, if they did drop him and say he didn't go to Oz you would need a replacement opener and don't think they rate Carberry. You cant got on tour with only 2 openers in the squad, so they will stick with cook and have Trott as cover for an opener then fit bell back in when fit.
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« Reply #121 on: August 09, 2010, 11:36:34 AM »

hales for me seen him once and stood out would be a bit of a gamble but like morgan he just has something special i think
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« Reply #122 on: August 09, 2010, 11:38:30 AM »

hales and open trott and bring in hales at around 5 or 6

For those not following Notts - http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/249866.html
I think that is a big ask for him to step up - that's not to say he couldn't - but I have never heard of him before or seen him play so can't really comment
I would go for Carberry, for the reasons outlined by Pete - if I had to make the change, otherwise i would basically do what Watsontotty says above (other than open with Bell) for the winter
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« Reply #123 on: August 09, 2010, 11:43:15 AM »

good discusson but similar to nick speak (rich you remember him) scored around 2000 championship runs in a season but selectors were not interested i think same with carberry if they wanted him he would have played more by now and if there was anybody else good out there then they would have been brought in i suspect.

hales would be a gamble yes but at what price no disrespect to Pakistan but i would bring in a few hopefuls now without doubt especially batsman there attack is not to shabby at all.
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Re: ENG vs PAK -
« Reply #124 on: August 09, 2010, 11:49:01 AM »

Yer i wouldn't open with Bell either and I'm not sure on Carberry as in all fairness I've not seen that much of him, seen even less of the lad Hales so definitely cant comment on him. On carberry I've heard some very positive things from people ex players i respect and they feel he is a very very good player.

Had Bell been fit a decision would have had to be made for sure and think in a way the selectors are happy they don't have to.

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« Reply #125 on: August 09, 2010, 11:52:32 AM »

good discusson but similar to nick speak (rich you remember him) scored around 2000 championship runs in a season but selectors were not interested i think same with carberry if they wanted him he would have played more by now and if there was anybody else good out there then they would have been brought in i suspect.

hales would be a gamble yes but at what price no disrespect to Pakistan but i would bring in a few hopefuls now without doubt especially batsman there attack is not to shabby at all.

I certainly do remember Nick Speak bud and he is out in Australia or at least he was last time i spoke to him, obviously being a Lancashire fan i watched him bat many many times and at the time England were a closed shop. England look to identify players on temperament rather than ability ?
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Re: ENG vs PAK -
« Reply #126 on: August 09, 2010, 11:52:57 AM »

Dave,

I think Hales has an outside chance of being picked to T20 this winter. Have seen him a couple of times and is still a bit raw. Morgan is a different case in that he was more experienced (in ODIs at least) before he played internationals.

Cook is a back foot player - this should suit Down Under. How about Steve Davies? He will go to Oz as back-up keeper and looks a real exciting opener for Surrey.
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Re: ENG vs PAK -
« Reply #127 on: August 09, 2010, 12:24:53 PM »

Dave,

I think Hales has an outside chance of being picked to T20 this winter. Have seen him a couple of times and is still a bit raw. Morgan is a different case in that he was more experienced (in ODIs at least) before he played internationals.

Cook is a back foot player - this should suit Down Under. How about Steve Davies? He will go to Oz as back-up keeper and looks a real exciting opener for Surrey.

too right about davies :)
on another note: alex hales used to go to my school :D
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Re: ENG vs PAK -
« Reply #128 on: August 09, 2010, 01:32:46 PM »

well that was pretty clinical...

2-0 with 2 to play.
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« Reply #129 on: August 09, 2010, 01:44:02 PM »

Had to post this........from the cricket with balls website, i think he has to be the best cricket blogger out there.

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Re: ENG vs PAK -
« Reply #130 on: August 18, 2010, 07:59:12 AM »

Going to be a good day at the oval today and certainly a good toss to win, given that Bill Gordon has confirmed that the pitch has been more traditionally prepared than last years bunsen.

Teams will be: England: Andrew Strauss (capt), Alastair Cook, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Paul Collingwood, Eoin Morgan, Matt Prior (wkt), Graeme Swann, Stuart Broad, James Anderson, Steven Finn.

Pakistan: Imran Farhat, Salman Butt (capt), Azhar Ali, Mohammad Yousuf, Umar Akmal, Yasir Hameed ,Kamran Akmal (wkt), Mohammad Aamer, Saeed Ajmal, Mohammad Asif, Wahab Riaz.

Great to see Kamran Akmal back, he really has worked hard for his recall (erhemm!)
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Re: ENG vs PAK -
« Reply #131 on: August 18, 2010, 08:01:45 AM »

Looking forward to it Sky HD fired up and cup of tea at the ready for the 1st hours play.....whos going to be batting 1st?

Think England may stick them in if we win the toss given Pakistans fragile position and confidence in their batting line up at the moment!!! may well be proven wrong tho
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Re: ENG vs PAK -
« Reply #132 on: August 18, 2010, 08:02:07 AM »

KP will score a ton in the test
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Re: ENG vs PAK -
« Reply #133 on: August 18, 2010, 08:03:25 AM »

outrageous confidence there mate i like it.....neck on the line stuff!
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Re: ENG vs PAK -
« Reply #134 on: August 18, 2010, 08:03:43 AM »

What about cook? :) must be some good odds on him gettin to the triple figures!!!???
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