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[Jeet]

in 2007 maybe mate but we are talking 2010 where prior is ten times better than he was!

Still not in Dhoni's league pal

[peplow]

It's a close run thing I think! Think prior is improving and dhoni isn't so maybe soon it'll be very close!?

[Jeet]

It's a close run thing I think! Think prior is improving and dhoni isn't so maybe soon it'll be very close!?

How do you work that one out? Dhoni works as hard as any other Indian player, otherwise he would've been binned along time ago.

[peplow]

Why would he have been binned? he could be not improving and still be the best?
I phrased it wrong anyway. I meant I Think prior is improving at a faster rate than dhoni.

[procricket]

Sorry but Dhoni is a flat track bully what have we seen of him in England?

Not a lot iindeed we all have opinions but i suspect as i always have championed Prior is as good as i said as Dhoni in test cricket and i will stick to that

stats alone it hard dhoni on flat wickets for half his games and to say prior has only done it v the windies is slight harsh look at this series Pakistan are no mugs with the ball at all....

Dhoni in one day cricket as a keeper has only one rival Sanga and in truth sanga all day long but in test cricket it is without doubt Prior is his number one competitior as world number 1 keeper/batsman


they both have identical test records withthe bat very close indeed

[Tumo]

Dhoni is far better than Prior Dave.

2007 in England Dhoni's keeping was 100 times better than Prior's.

Furthermore, its tougher to keep on low sub continental pitches than more lively English pitches.

With regards to Dhoni's batting, two of his hundreds have been match saving efforts, his 148 vs Pakistan( a far better attack than the current Pakistani attack) and 109 vs Sri Lanka when the Lankans where all over India.

Also its not Dhoni's fault he plays in India is it? He is Indian after all.

Dhoni can score runs again the best sides, unlike Prior who loves to dip his bread vs the ordinary West Indies side.

Strong Pakistan attack? abdul razzaq is distinctly ordinary, shoaib ahktar took 1/100 in that game and danesh kaneria was affectively nullified by kamran akmal behind the stumps. prior was facing a new quick, who was an unknown quantity, mohammed aamer who continues to be the best quick bowling prospect in world cricket, and mohammed asif at his canniest and most cunning. no, it's not his fault he plays in india, but the amount of flat tracks will undoubtedly inflate averages. He averages 49.41 in asia compared to 32.9 outside, which is a big difference. dhoni's keeping is worse than prior's now, and actually, it should be easier to keep in the subcontinent, if your technique is right as you rise with the ball, so if the ball doesn't rise then neither do you, whereas you have to deal with the swinging ball here, swinging both ways and having to compensate as such with edges and the like...

[Jeet]

Sorry but Dhoni is a flat track bully what have we seen of him in England?

Not a lot iindeed we all have opinions but i suspect as i always have championed Prior is as good as i said as Dhoni in test cricket and i will stick to that

stats alone it hard dhoni on flat wickets for half his games and to say prior has only done it v the windies is slight harsh look at this series Pakistan are no mugs with the ball at all....

Dhoni in one day cricket as a keeper has only one rival Sanga and in truth sanga all day long but in test cricket it is without doubt Prior is his number one competitior as world number 1 keeper/batsman

Firstly Dhoni was outstanding in the 2007 series. Scores two 50's and averaged 50+

Dhoni's streets ahead of Sangakkara in ODI's. 

[procricket]

as what do not tell me dhoni is a better batsman than sanga please and i would say sangga is a better keeper than both dhoni and prior

[Jeet]

Strong Pakistan attack? abdul razzaq is distinctly ordinary, shoaib ahktar took 1/100 in that game and danesh kaneria was affectively nullified by kamran akmal behind the stumps. prior was facing a new quick, who was an unknown quantity, mohammed aamer who continues to be the best quick bowling prospect in world cricket, and mohammed asif at his canniest and most cunning. no, it's not his fault he plays in india, but the amount of flat tracks will undoubtedly inflate averages. He averages 49.41 in asia compared to 32.9 outside, which is a big difference. dhoni's keeping is worse than prior's now, and actually, it should be easier to keep in the subcontinent, if your technique is right as you rise with the ball, so if the ball doesn't rise then neither do you, whereas you have to deal with the swinging ball here, swinging both ways and having to compensate as such with edges and the like...

Quick to point out the drop in Dhoni's average but if you remove Prior's bashing of the Windies then he averages 35.

Prior's keeping decent at best

[Jeet]

as what do not tell me dhoni is a better batsman than sanga please and i would say sangga is a better keeper than both dhoni and prior

Dhoni's ODI batting is better than Sangakkara's proven by their records.

[procricket]

this is what the forum about good debate with no real anwser only debate...

jeet i like your chat India are a good side with good players including Dhoni

But so are England Prior is up there with the best mate..

ever herd your only as good as your last knock 

today prior had one of his best for england no doubt i sure pete hosk who was there can clarify



sangakkara facing the best bowler with a new ball or dhoni clubbing the 5th bowler with the field spread...

never just look at averages but sanga are in diffrent leagues as batsman averages only tell half the story.....

Got to admit though dhoni is a good finisher only one better in world cricket(wind up time)

so today prior is king and in form

[Jeet]

Dave just one question, you claim Dhoni's a flat track bully and Sangakkara is God's gift to wk/batsman, yet of Sangakkara's 23 Test 100's, 19 are scored in Asia. Seems to me that Sangakkara is a flat track bully as well.....

[procricket]

never said he was not but look at the number of not outs in dhoni odi record...


there diffrent players no doubt but i know which one is a better batsman..

to be honest mate i would swap all 4 cricketers for tendulkar though.........


morgan best finisher in world one day/20 20 cricket???

only kidding nobody can knock dhoni in one day cricket

[Jeet]

to be honest mate i would swap all 4 cricketers for tendulkar though.........
 

Finally we agree on something!!!

[Buzz]

Intersting thread and discussions - I think Prior is has become a better keeper than Dhoni and may probably be a better batsman.

But - and this is a biggy... (for me)

Dhoni is a brilliant captain and, I suspect, has far more between his ears than Prior and on that basis in my book would get picked above Prior in all forms of cricket.

Regardless, next summer when India tour England we will really see who is the master - a question for Jeet - Will Dravid even make it?

India seems to be rebuilding while the next 12 months could be a great period for English Cricket (or for those fed on a diet of 1990's English cricket we expect it to go horribly wrong - but are fed thanks to the little voice of hope and the fact that Andy Flower is a very special coach - even Duncan Fletcher is jealous of him, just read the bitterness in his guardian articles and the lack of Eng players in the ICC cricketer of the year nominations).

We will know more today when play gets underway. Pak are well on top and England will have to bowl with patience, control and luck to get back into the game. If England try too hard for wickets they will get carted.