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[iand123]

Vettori has to rely on the batsmen making an error, so he's not capable of getting the batsmen out.

Thats a very big statement to make, all of a sudden you know more than the ex pro's!

Pride comes before a fall Jeet

[Jeet]

Thats a very big statement to make, all of a sudden you know more than the ex pro's!

Pride comes before a fall Jeet

Not sure what you're implying, I'm merely repeating what the comms said during the morning session.

Just I cut to the chase in what i said in my last post.

[Tumo]

He doesn't turn it as much as he used to, when he was younger he got a lot of revolutions on the ball and got some sharp turn at times. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Doull and Morrison? Morrison's hilarious but not exactly the brightest bulb in the shed, and Simon Doull will go on what's in front of him on a specific day. Danny Vettori may not turn the ball on a day 1 Ahmedabad flat track, but he will start to turn the ball tomorrow, not many finger spinners turn it on a day one pitch anywhere! Harbhajan hasn't been a match-winning spinner for a few years. He played better when Kumble was bowling with him, now that he's the main spinner he's been below par (comparatively, he's still been a good spinner). I also feel that Harbhajan lacks the control to be India's main spinner. Also, he's not had to bowl at Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, etc. on a flat first day track. It'd be interesting to see this discussion if the boot was on the other foot...

[Jeet]

He doesn't turn it as much as he used to, when he was younger he got a lot of revolutions on the ball and got some sharp turn at times. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Doull and Morrison? Morrison's hilarious but not exactly the brightest bulb in the shed, and Simon Doull will go on what's in front of him on a specific day. Danny Vettori may not turn the ball on a day 1 Ahmedabad flat track, but he will start to turn the ball tomorrow, not many finger spinners turn it on a day one pitch anywhere! Harbhajan hasn't been a match-winning spinner for a few years. He played better when Kumble was bowling with him, now that he's the main spinner he's been below par (comparatively, he's still been a good spinner). I also feel that Harbhajan lacks the control to be India's main spinner. Also, he's not had to bowl at Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, etc. on a flat first day track. It'd be interesting to see this discussion if the boot was on the other foot...

Well Patel got a few balls to rip big, shame he bowled so much dross in-between. Williamson even got a few to turn, not as much as Patel though.

What's your obsession with flat pitches? There was movement on offer, big Jesse got the ball the nibble. Bennett got some movement but was slightly leg side. Gambhir and Dravid are hardly mugs with the willow and where in trouble for parts of their innings. Dravid had 17 off 90 odd balls at one stage, hardly indicating a flat track no? Sehwag just makes batting look easy.

[Philip@Aero]

Career averages might help...

Vettori - 100 tests, 325 wickets @ 33.86.  2.64 RPO
          -  259 ODIs, 275 wickets @ 30.9. 4.12 RPO

Singh - 87 tests, 368 wickets @ 31.66. 2.82 RPO
         - 212 ODIs, 242 wickets @ 32.84. 4.3 RPO

Conclusion, Singh's test record is superior except in RPO. Vettori is a better ODI bowler.

[iand123]

India having somewhat of a collapse at 15-4! Maybe this pitch does have life in it after all

EDIT: In the time it took to take this another has dropped, 15-5 now

[mattwhitfield17]

WOW!, superb spell from Chris Martin!

[Tumo]

Chris Martin! Outstanding!

[Jeet]

Chris Martin was fantastic, seems to be very under-rated.

Rahul Dravid has to retire now. dropped two catches that cost India 130 runs, then runs out Sehwag. Idiot!

India needs to make at least 3 changes for the next Test, whatever the outcome of this match is.

Gambhir, Dravid and Raina should be ditched. Porbably along with Sreesanth. Replacements would be Vijay, Rahane, Pujara and Ishant.

[Wills]

Great Test Cricket IMO, momentum changing from one side to the other very quickly!

[Jeet]

Great Test Cricket IMO, momentum changing from one side to the other very quickly!

Exactly, also proving not all Indian pitches are roads!

[Alvaro]

i am bored and have been at wheat beer (do you like erdinger fattus?) and found this pic, holmes that i am...
seems that bhaji didn't get the white spirit out after stripping the labels from one of sachin's bats.
whoop.

[Jeet]

Harbhajan needs to remember how to take wickets, he;s not in the side to score 100's.

[Colesy]

But surely it's not a bad thing....

[johan95]

True. At least he's pulling his weight in the side with the bat if he's not taking wickets..