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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2010, 09:06:23 AM »

Lovely speach Buzz but I dont think you need to do all that, Just bat, play to your strengths, no need to over complicate things that much

Fair enough, these are just some of the things I think about when I am batting, alongside where the fielders are, who is bowling, their bowling style and where the "high %/low risk" runs can come from, how the player at the other end is doing - and it all differs as to whether I am setting a target or chasing a target.

It may well be that I think far too much and don't allow myself to just let it happen - but this is what I have found helps me, I suppose I would classify myself as a more "intense" style batsman - more of a Mark Ramprakash than an instinctive player.

But the more I have worked at it and the more I think about what I am trying to do the more consistent a player I have become.

Aweful lot of "I"'s in that.

As always, if you don't like it ignore it and if you do, take the bits you like... :)
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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2010, 10:38:16 AM »

Agree with Buzz people will tell you a lot in life, you have to take the best bit of each persons advice and combine them!
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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2010, 10:42:10 AM »

Agree with Buzz people will tell you a lot in life, you have to take the best bit of each persons advice and combine them!


Totally agree.......

i've noticed alot of people are saying it depends if its your day or not, i think by taking all this into account you will find its 'your day' more often than usual.........

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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2010, 01:10:44 PM »

Nobody has included "don't run out of partners!" Or in other words, manage the strike.
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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2010, 10:44:12 AM »

I think buzzes point about high% risk and low % risk runs is important as well,

I also think singles are crucial in any innings, you have to be looking to rotate the strike every ball
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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2010, 09:10:49 PM »

I tend to think of it in a similar way. Play your low risk shots early doors, ie. cut for me, tickle off the legs, poke for one etc. Then gradually expand into the riskier shots as you pick up the pace of the pitch and identify the bowlers are doing with the ball. I see too many batters go for expansive shots early on and ruin a nice knock.
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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2011, 08:57:50 PM »

Hello. I thought I would drag this topic up - because of this article about Sehwag on Cricinfo today - Talking about how Viru wants to bat more time - etc - you will see he has clearly been reading this forum...!! ;)

Beware of Sehwag 2.0
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/current/story/502010.html

To intimidate people, Al Pacino's character in Scarface made them "say hello to my little friend". Somehow six other words from Virender Sehwag, which sound completely non-violent by his standards, are having similar impact in the cricketing world. Cricket's Tony Montana just said, "I want to bat 50 overs." It is a simple thought, something every opening batsman says by rote, but when Sehwag says that it becomes scary. When Sehwag says he wants to bat 50 overs, you shudder when you think what if he actually bats 50 overs?

What if the man - his average innings lasts 32 balls but he has still managed to score more than 7000 runs at a strike-rate over 100 - decides to try and play anything close to 150 deliveries in a match? What if he regularly starts lasting till batting Powerplays? Before today, while batting first, Sehwag had faced 100 balls only on two occasions. What if he starts doing it more often? He has never stayed not out batting first. What if he does that often in completed innings?

Today Sehwag gave a glimpse of the possibilities, and on evidence the bowlers need to be afraid. Very afraid. It was fitting that the new Sehwag came out in the same country where four years ago he was trying to figure out just what his role was as a batsman, when he was a confused man after being dropped from Tests, a format in which he has never merited a drop. That was soon after the World Cup debacle. On that tour he got off to two starts, but threw his wicket away on both occasions. Four years on, now one of the most feared batsmen in Test cricket, Sehwag's intentions of making a larger impact in ODIs too have begun in Bangladesh.

The ease with which Sehwag did it today made it seem like all he had to do was tell himself he needed to bat longer. You could see he was fighting boredom in the middle overs when all that was available was singles. He even went 30 balls without a boundary, considered the oxygen of his batting, but that had little effect on him. You could see from his itching to hit that he still didn't think spinners ought to bowl in international cricket, but he showed restraint when Abdul Razzak came on to bowl in the fifth over. He played out four dots in that over before taking the single. Razzak's time would come later. The first time Sehwag tried to clear the infield today was in the 15th over, a six over cow corner to reach his fifty… off Razzak.

All this after he had got the World Cup off to a smashing start, with a punch through the covers first ball and a drive for four through the same region in the same over. You watched with interest just how he would rein himself in after such a start. How would a batsman who knows no boundaries limit himself? Not that he hasn't done that before. He did so to save the Adelaide Test, but then he had a challenge in front of himself, a larger cause of drawing the Test. He did that during a chase in Dambulla last year, scoring 99 not out when every other batsman failed under the lights, but then the conditions provided that extra challenge.

One-day cricket on flat tracks, like today, doesn't present that kind of multi-faceted challenge. It was the kind of track and bowling where the only man that could have got Sehwag out was Sehwag himself. He wasn't going to do that today, not until he had reached the back-end of the innings. In the middle overs, he fought the boredom with chips over extra cover for twos. He stayed alert to quick singles; on one occasion he ran a bye, and then the overthrow off a ricochet off the stumps when the ball had hardly gone far.

Once he reached that back-end, once he called for the batting Powerplay in the 35th over, every bowler bar Rubel Hossain - who used the bouncer well on a slow pitch - got the clip. Shafiul Islam was swung for six over long-on. Razzak he treated like a club bowler, leaving his crease every ball, and then deciding which boundary to clear. Powerful shots, late-cuts, lofts, all came back.

With the World Cup upon us, so is Sehwag 2.0. If he can continue doing what he did today, more games will be decided by the end of the first innings.
When asked about his innings, Sehwag termed it the most satisfactory "as far as overs are concerned". It was obviously a conscious effort to play a longer innings, and take fewer chances. One of the bigger challenges of such innings is the middle overs, when fields are spread. Sehwag said his plan was to concentrate on taking singles. "It was easy for me to rotate the strike. I think I hit a six on 49, and after that till 75 or 80 I was just rotating the strike because I knew I had to play 30-40 overs, and if I do that I would get a hundred. Still my strike rate was more than 100."

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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2011, 09:30:00 PM »

Buzz have you been coaching Sehwag behind my back ?
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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2011, 09:50:14 PM »

where else did my Sehwag bat come from? ;)
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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2011, 03:06:52 PM »

Loads of you will have witnessed Sachin and Andrew Strauss' hundreds on Sunday - I think it is worth adding some stats on these knocks to this page as they were both master class innings on scoring big, first when setting a target and then when chasing. Fortunately Oliver Brett has done the work so I don't have to.

The run graph comparison is very intersting looking at how Sachin started slowly then got his eye in (or changed his bat to one that wasn't knackered...) where as Strauss chasing got the momentum going and maintained it through out the chase

Strauss and Tendulkar in perspective


By Oliver Brett
Although neither was involved in the enthralling finish, Sachin Tendulkar and Andrew Strauss provided two of the most exquisite centuries seen in World Cups when India and England played out their tied match in Bangalore on Sunday.

With the help of the "wagon wheels" provided here, showing each player's scoring areas - and a graph comparing their rate of scoring - their innings can be analysed more closely.

Tendulkar's was his 47th one-day century, but only his second against England, and he began steadily as he crafted an imposing target for India's opponents.

With his partner Virender Sehwag burning a trail at the other end, the 37-year-old waited patiently until the ninth over, soon after the departure of Sehwag, to hit his first two boundaries.

He got them off consecutive balls, identifying one of his favoured areas behind square on the leg-side for neat deflections.

From that point on, he picked up the pace of his scoring, dominating the big partnership for the second wicket with Gautam Gambhir.

Two sixes cames off Paul Collingwood, the first an eased, lofted straight drive, the second smashed with similar elegance over midwicket. And there were three sixes off Graeme Swann: two over long-on, the other a slog sweep over deep mid-wicket.

As the Tendulkar wagon wheel shows, none of his 10 fours was hit in front of square on the leg-side, partly because Strauss ensured he often had two people posted on the ropes in that region.

But the other regions are all studded with fours, as England's bowling force - in theory strengthened by the addition of Michael Yardy - was run ragged.

When England began their chase of a monstrous-looking target of 339, Strauss was quick out of the blocks because his team simply could not afford to get behind the asking rate of almost seven runs an over.

A leg-glance and a booming square cut gave him two of the 18 fours he would accumulate in all in the very first over of the chase, and he was off and away.

While Tendulkar's rate of scoring accelerated sharply from a steady base, Strauss cruised along at something close to a run a ball throughout the innings, taking in the rapid opening stand with Kevin Pietersen, Jonathan Trott's brief stay at the crease and the really big partnership of the innings with Ian Bell.

Not traditionally someone who plays attacking shots down the ground, he stuck to the areas he knows best - square of the wicket and behind square - with only four scoring shots, each gaining him a single, coming in the mid-off region.

It was only when Bell, who defied his critics with some lusty blows of his own, cramped up in the latter stages of the chase that Strauss's smooth rhythm was also stifled, and the two men fell off consecutive balls.

Statistically, the Strauss innings was superior to Tendulkar's, both in terms of runs scored (158 to 120) and strike rate (108.96 runs per 100 balls to 104.34).

In truth however, it would be curmudgeonly to say the England captain produced the better innings. In keeping with the result of the match, let's call it a tie.

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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2011, 08:46:51 AM »

This is from Justin Langer on Cricinfo today

Do you agree that during the Ashes that there were some technical faults among the batsmen, especially edging balls they could have left?

Everyone can keep developing their technique, but my experience would tell me that if you're edging balls or getting bowled a lot, it tends to be that you're not watching the ball as closely as you should be. And if you're not watching the ball closely, it's generally that you're down on a bit of confidence or you're distracted. That's what mental toughness is about, having 100% attention on the next ball bowled to you. That process is critical. If you get the processes right, I'd suggest that most of those guys, with the techniques they have got, wouldn't be nicking them. They wouldn't be getting bowled or lbw because if they have got a really strong and positive mindset, they'll move quicker, they'll pick up the ball earlier, their feet will move quicker into position, and they'll invariably be hitting the ball more in the middle of the bat. There's always that question - is that technical or is that mental? I would suggest, at that level it often looks like it might be technical, but with these guys who have made a lot of runs before, it's usually that they're not quite clear in their minds.
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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2011, 07:06:42 PM »

hello, having not scored many runs since my first game I thought i would re read this and then, given the high score thread, I thought I'd give it a bump for new members.
it is worth reading a few of the differet comments and look for little bits to help you.
I've been a bit guilty recently of over complicating my batting - writing a batting book may do that to you! so don't try to take everything on.
you may thing it's still all hillocks which would also be reasonable!
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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2011, 08:40:30 PM »

My main tip would be don't chip the ball straight back to the bowler on 97 when you are approaching your maiden ton.

Only wish I had took that advice! Still haven't got one :(
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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2011, 05:43:58 AM »

This is from Justin Langer on Cricinfo today

Do you agree that during the Ashes that there were some technical faults among the batsmen, especially edging balls they could have left?

Everyone can keep developing their technique, but my experience would tell me that if you're edging balls or getting bowled a lot, it tends to be that you're not watching the ball as closely as you should be. And if you're not watching the ball closely, it's generally that you're down on a bit of confidence or you're distracted. That's what mental toughness is about, having 100% attention on the next ball bowled to you. That process is critical. If you get the processes right, I'd suggest that most of those guys, with the techniques they have got, wouldn't be nicking them. They wouldn't be getting bowled or lbw because if they have got a really strong and positive mindset, they'll move quicker, they'll pick up the ball earlier, their feet will move quicker into position, and they'll invariably be hitting the ball more in the middle of the bat. There's always that question - is that technical or is that mental? I would suggest, at that level it often looks like it might be technical, but with these guys who have made a lot of runs before, it's usually that they're not quite clear in their minds.

exactly what i needed to read buzz. thanks for the quote.
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Re: How to score a hundred
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2012, 08:00:22 AM »

Here is an article from Martin Crowe on Kiwi's and hundreds, but there is something for everyone here... follow the link for the stats and pictures

Why can't New Zealand score more hundreds?
Misguided coaching, bowling-friendly conditions and players' attitudes haven't helped
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/581892.html
In Wisden and on ESPNcricinfo, it clearly shows that the greatest century-makers in Test cricket are the Indians and the Australians. The West Indians have a representative in the top ten in Brian Lara, and recently, through Jacques Kallis, Kumar Sangakkara and Mahela Jayawardene, the South Africans and Sri Lankans are acknowledged right up there alongside the best. No other country is represented in the 30-plus century club.

The Pakistanis' best is Inzamam-ul-Haq, on 25 hundreds, while England's most prolific are the old-timers Wally Hammond, Colin Cowdrey and Geoff Boycott, all on 22. But as we know, Alastair Cook, on 20 currently, will surely smash that and climb into the top echelon.

New Zealand is the only one of the eight main Test-playing nations not to have a player score over 20 hundreds; their highest is 17, while 12 is the next best. In fact, only three players are in double figures in terms of century count. Add to that the fact that New Zealand is the only established nation that's yet to post a triple-century, coming agonisingly close with a 299, when yours truly had a brain fade.

So why have New Zealand been so poor compared to the rest, and why is it seemingly getting worse? As each series goes by, New Zealand give the impression they won't improve anytime soon on this front.

To me, the art of scoring a hundred is to keep it dead simple: bat in tens. Greg Chappell quietly said this to me once, and it resonated loud and clear. By scoring in small incremental blocks of ten runs at a time, I was able to maintain concentration, not worry at all about the nineties (it was only another block of ten), and ultimately carry on a lot longer after the century milestone was reached.

I believe for Test teams to truly compete, they need at least two players consistently scoring hundreds every three to four Tests. From 1985-94 I managed 16 hundreds in 50 consecutive Tests (following my first relatively unproductive 20-Test apprenticeship and before a limp seven-Test finish), so it can be done, but it can't be done alone. With John Wright, John Reid and Andrew Jones playing well for a period, I was in really good company, and it proved partnerships mean everything. In contrast, when Lara was in full flight, he did it alone, and so West Indies began their dreadful slide.

To try to understand why New Zealand have underachieved in consistently scoring Test hundreds, it needs to be acknowledged that this is a rugby-mad country, and mostly all major grounds and stadiums are geared for the All Blacks to win under lights.

Even with the advent of portable pitches, batting in New Zealand has always been regarded a challenge for most batsmen - hosts and visitors alike - as the pitches, coupled with English-type weather, have made run scoring rather difficult at times. Ask Garry Sobers, Viv Richards and Sachin Tendulkar, to name a few over the decades, and they will confirm this.

Some would say that the hosts should be used to the conditions and ought to be able to develop the appropriate game to prosper. I agree, and my personal adjustment was to shorten my backlift significantly so I could adjust better to the inconsistent bounce and movement, swing or seam. By shortening my backlift I scored less quickly but managed to stay at the crease longer. This later also helped combat reverse swing.
Through the last century, New Zealand batsmen played only about five or six Tests a year, about half of those on bowler-friendly pitches at home. For a long time, getting into a habit of scoring big hundreds didn't come about because of limited opportunities, to add to the poor conditions for batting.

However, during the late 1970s and early 1980s, through the exposure gained by the likes of Glenn Turner, Richard Hadlee, Geoff Howarth and John Wright, who all became full-time professionals and played regular county cricket, the new doctrine was to "up performance" and take on the world. This included players being selected and expected to score big hundreds and take five-wicket hauls - which Hadlee excelled at. Contributing to team victories became a necessary goal for the individual within the team ethos, and this requirement was passed down sternly and clearly to youngsters entering the dressing room. Standards were set high. I became addicted to the mantra of "We are better than they are."

Because of my personal drive and obsession with scoring Test hundreds through the 1980s, as New Zealand got better and better, I felt responsible for passing the baton to new players when we entered the 1990s, post-Hadlee, and so I approached Stephen Fleming and Nathan Astle with confidence that they would carry it on.

Instead, I struck an odd resistance. The new breed simply didn't feel the need to set the goal of scoring hundreds for the team. Of course, they wanted to score them, but they didn't want that "extra pressure" of being seen to seek them. Hadlee and I had talked openly and publicly about setting and chasing goals; the downside was that it seemed to turn others off. These new players chose to play for the team and the occasion, to be ultimate team men and not seek individual milestones. It sounded admirable, and it was, but on the other hand the team needed big hundreds and it needed them consistently.

In his defence, Fleming had just became New Zealand captain at age 23, and his sights had been dramatically adjusted from being a batsman learning the craft of succeeding at the highest level to leading a young, impressionable and highly talented team. Overnight his focus had switched to a new responsibility.

And leadership he showed, so much so that he became New Zealand's greatest captain and man manager of all time. He instilled in his team the mantra called BTB (Better than Before), a reference to topping the efforts of the '80s. And so a new attitude was born.

Fleming's team played well for a good period, rising to No. 3 in the world in 2001-02, but they couldn't sustain it. The hundreds weren't there often enough, and gradually a pattern emerged. The conversion rate from fifties to hundreds got worse. Fleming himself, despite his strong hand at the helm, secured a return of only nine hundreds and 46 fifties in 111 Tests. He was way too good to finish with numbers like those. Yet, contrastingly, while not able to convert often enough, he was able to play some extraordinary innings in becoming the only New Zealander to post three Test double-hundreds.


During this time, in 1998, the New Zealand board set up an academy in Lincoln. Coaches and professors from Victoria were flown in. But any hope that the next generation would be given assistance and expertise on how to post world-class scores soon fell apart. It was an outstanding disaster.

Biomechanics became the new buzzword for New Zealand's finest batting talent. The theory passed on was that hand speed and power efficiency "through the shot" was everything. Out the window went footwork, body position, soft hands and hitting the ball late below the eyes. In came heavier bats, high backlifts, minimal footwork and going hard at the ball.
The net result was faster strike rates and shorter stays at the crease. For a whole decade this theory was passed down to the next line of coaches, and from them to young players, who were too frightened to disregard the instructions thrust at them.

One who did ignore the tripe being coached was Ross Taylor. They say his natural stance and backlift are still the same as they were when he was playing school first-XI matches. He followed his own natural instincts and method, and didn't buy the wares of con artists selling their unproven bullshit to unsuspecting victims.

Dozens of talented batsmen were tried through this crazy ten-year period, including Craig Cumming, Matthew Bell, Michael Papps, Gary Stead, Craig Spearman, Jamie How, Mathew Sinclair, Hamish and James Marshall, Lou Vincent, Aaron Redmond, Peter Ingram, Tim McIntosh, Peter Fulton and others. One player who did well during this time came from a background of bowling spin and batting No. 11 - Mark Richardson. He missed the biomechanics batting clinic and thankfully became one of New Zealand's finest opening batsmen from sheer self-sufficiency and attitude.

That was then, this is now. New Zealand Cricket still hasn't settled on a basic batting method to adopt. The proper coaching methods must be reintroduced and embraced at all levels, first-class cricket must be reinstated as the priority format, and batsmen need to clearly set the goal that hundreds matter.

I believe there is a possibility that a present-day player or two will hopefully pick up the baton and run with it. That potential may well lie with Kane Williamson and Taylor, both of whom I regard highly as batsmen, especially as century-makers.

As the story goes, Williamson, before he left school, had notched up 40 hundreds in all forms at all levels. That's mighty impressive, suggesting he has an insatiable appetite for the ton, knows how to get it and wants more. So far in his 16 Tests he has scored two, which is a steady start, given he is 22. It's also time for the apprentice to become the master over the next phase and increase his ratio from one every eight Tests to one every four. He simply has to set his goal and his stall and get it done. No more pussyfooting around the crease, messing with backlifts and techniques: he must settle, aim and fire.

Taylor, on the other hand, has seven hundreds from 41 Tests, one every six Tests. He does possess the ability to do a Sehwag and rip out a triple-ton one day. As captain, he must demand more of the same of what we saw from him in the recent Bangalore Test. In that match he came out swinging, and the aggression paid off in the first innings. New Zealand need him to lead the way in the next period.

Taylor and Williamson can show the likes of Martin Guptill and the next generation how setting a big goal, then scoring a big hundred is not only helpful to a team's cause but is also personally satisfying and universally accepted.

Just ask Sachin.
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