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Re: Pro's Bats
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2010, 12:23:02 PM »

Agree with Dan, if the bat is too soft the ball will just dent into the bat and lose all its energy, if its too hard the "trampoline" sort of effect wont be there.
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Re: Pro's Bats
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2010, 12:34:57 PM »

My flat is full of old pros bats (yes it's a very small flat!) - if anyone wants a net in London I'll bring a couple along. They're mainly Mongooses but got a few which I've had copied for players.

If I didn't say they were pro bats you probably wouldn't know just by looking at them.

Tom id be up for a net in london to sample a few pro bats, let me know if you sort anything out

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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2010, 12:38:57 PM »

Just to clear johans comment up, when we saw Rob he was trying to explain that his pro bats are no different to what anyone can get a hold of, other than the specs required for the individual. We can get customs as we already know. What he meant about pressing was: the bats are all pressed by hand after they are shaped etc to maximum performance, but what he does with the shelf bats and many of his 6000 pumas is press them maybe once more in an attempt to increase the bats longevity. You could tell the difference an extra press had with the sound the bat made on ball and mallet but the 'ping' was still there. He doesn't press bats softly, this would be ridiculous as we all know it would do more harm than good. His Puma sponsored batsmen do get choice selection of his low density willow though. But I expect this is the same anywhere else. Just thought id clear that up  :)
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Re: Pro's Bats
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2010, 01:03:43 PM »

will Rob do a massive low density pres for a regular punte or is that specifically reserved for the pro's?
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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2010, 01:07:01 PM »

It's all in the pick up and density as my one was meant for a pro and has a pick up like a 2lb9/10 with it being 2lb14 so works for me
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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2010, 01:17:34 PM »

That would depend entirely On the willow available but he will do anything the customer requires.
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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2010, 01:34:33 PM »

Just received a hefty telling from Rob that my quote about pro clefts was incorrect. The low density willow is also available to any punter and at the same price as listed which is £180. This is stated when ordering though and I have been told any customer ordering one of these 'bomb bats' (robs words not mine) must understand that the ball will explode off the bat but will only last 1-2 seasons Inc nets.
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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2010, 01:47:08 PM »

Lol unlucky about the telling off mate. I might get a bomb bat then, 1-2 seasons of good use is pretty good!
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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2010, 01:50:11 PM »

It wasn't a telling off lad, I asked him what he reserves for pros and the answer was a quite firm one. Just said everyone has access to the willow as long as they know the bats aren't going to last a very long time.
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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2010, 01:51:45 PM »

Oh right, correction, firm telling in response!
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« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2010, 01:59:48 PM »

I bought a low grade cleft from Talisman a few months back to make a heavy practice bat. It was unpressed and I prepared with a mallet. Needless to say pressing is essential, it weighs 3lbs 5oz and has nowhere near the power or resilience and pressed cleft would have. I think I'd rather have a bat pressed to within an inch of its life than an unpressed bat.

A better bat won't make you time the ball better it just means when you mis-time the ball it doesn't dribble to cover.
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Re: Pro's Bats
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2010, 04:26:02 PM »

I follow the line that pressing 'soft' is definitely misleading.  It is the depth of pressed willow that is important to a bat's response. As a general rule, a deeper pressing will improve durability, but reduce ball speed off the bat.  A shallow press could provide what players experience as a 'trampoline' effect. But this of course depends on the quality of the cleft, and therefore a uniform ' shallow' press will not be optimum for all bats.  Bat makers who still press each cleft on its merits will be close to optimising performance for every bat.

The trampoline effect occurs when the fibre/cell compression from impact recovers while the ball is still in contact with the bat, but on its exit path.  Being able to tune that recovery to the contact time is what you ideally would try to engineer.  If the pressed layer is deeper, then you have a stiffer layer that will deform less, and so return less energy to the ball, although paradoxically it will also absorb less energy from the ball during impact.  It's very much swings and roundabouts, which makes 'tuning' a bat for optimum performance a complex process to get right repeatably

However, some perspective is also required, since the gains that could be made from pressing may be marginal compared to the influence of bat mass, bat speed, and technique.  Hence we see some pro's (such as KP) stating that they are indifferent to the minute technicalities of their bats.  If it feels right, and its coming from a trusted bat maker, then that's good enough.  It doesn't stop other pros doing the opposite, and trying every trick possible  to squeeze every ounce of performance from the bat.  I've heard that Herschelle Gibbs for a while experimented with unpressed bats, which flew, but also broke at an alarming rate. I've also heard he experimented with many other things as well, but that's another story...
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Re: Pro's Bats
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2010, 05:29:45 PM »

"I've heard that Herschelle Gibbs for a while experimented with unpressed bats", he did say in the IPL last year when asked about his bats that they were unpressed. At first I thought I'd misheard him.
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Re: Pro's Bats
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2010, 05:30:21 PM »

I follow the line that pressing 'soft' is definitely misleading.  It is the depth of pressed willow that is important to a bat's response. As a general rule, a deeper pressing will improve durability, but reduce ball speed off the bat.  A shallow press could provide what players experience as a 'trampoline' effect. But this of course depends on the quality of the cleft, and therefore a uniform ' shallow' press will not be optimum for all bats.  Bat makers who still press each cleft on its merits will be close to optimising performance for every bat.

The trampoline effect occurs when the fibre/cell compression from impact recovers while the ball is still in contact with the bat, but on its exit path.  Being able to tune that recovery to the contact time is what you ideally would try to engineer.  If the pressed layer is deeper, then you have a stiffer layer that will deform less, and so return less energy to the ball, although paradoxically it will also absorb less energy from the ball during impact.  It's very much swings and roundabouts, which makes 'tuning' a bat for optimum performance a complex process to get right repeatably

However, some perspective is also required, since the gains that could be made from pressing may be marginal compared to the influence of bat mass, bat speed, and technique.  Hence we see some pro's (such as KP) stating that they are indifferent to the minute technicalities of their bats.  If it feels right, and its coming from a trusted bat maker, then that's good enough.  It doesn't stop other pros doing the opposite, and trying every trick possible  to squeeze every ounce of performance from the bat.  I've heard that Herschelle Gibbs for a while experimented with unpressed bats, which flew, but also broke at an alarming rate. I've also heard he experimented with many other things as well, but that's another story...

Norbs 2! :o
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Re: Pro's Bats
« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2010, 09:54:33 PM »

Norbs 2!!!!  - Frankspop does this for a living

I think the trampoline effect is theoretically sound but in practice the the ability to hold the ball through the bat cycle is where it all goes wrong.  Even with soft pressing or no pressing this I believe wouldn't occur but I think that is Frankspop is saying anyways. 

I would also tend to agree that bat mass, bat speed, and technique help to make a great bat but I would like to say that a badly pressed regardless of mass and how fast you could swing is going to be poor.  So I would say pressing is still key and not marginal as a very well press bat could in my view out perform a run of the mill pressed bat regardless of bat mass and swing speed. [please note I left technique out towards the end :D]

Beachcricket on the unpressed carry on hammering mate you'll get there!!! [pm me for a tip with it]
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