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Re: Signature
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2010, 04:19:04 PM »


I had a look on the Laver website earlier and i must say the bats on there look very special indeed...... its made me want one now lol

i cant wait to see what you end up with..... i'm sure its gonna be something truly stunning :)

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« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2011, 08:11:18 AM »

Hi essexarsenal,

I've read the forum for a while now but have never posted, just had no reason too. However I saw your post and thought I may be able to add something here. I've sort of bought and traded my way through a few bats over the past few years and have ended up with a L&W Reserve (25+ grains 50/50 heartwood), L&W Signature (unused), and now imported a GN Legend from the UK.

Like you I bought the Signature without the extra stuff for a very good price for one reason or another. Having bought a lot of top bats over the years, finding a looker + performer + the shape you want is tough. I'd admit its almost impossible!! Willow is a natural product and even the very best does have imperfections, even the Signature.

My Signature has 15 grains with 11 evenly spaced grains, with 4 very tight grains in the middle. James advised this was one of the best Signatures pieces he had ever had as the extra tight grains would play well with the edges being stronger. I'm not sure as I haven't had the guts to use it, however I'd always imagined evenly spaced, but this was not the case and I went with his advice. The shape is a mix of a custom AM (Pakistan) and L&W Special with no scalloping, and is actually very very similar to a GN Legend (AUS) with an oval handle, it really is a beautiful specimen. If you want an amazingly well made bat, like you can't imagine, this is it. The finishing is amazing, handle feels strong and will last, and I have confidence it will last season after season when I use it. Trust me though, you still won't be 100% satisfied, thats just the way it seems to work :-). For me, mines a little heavier than I wanted at 2.11oz even though I wanted 2.85.

I received the UK GN Legend just before Xmas from Talent Cricket. Initially I was soooooo annoyed, I asked for it not to be knocked in and they oiled and knocked it in taking an extra two weeks. It sweated so bad in the packaging and during delivery that it has pooled oil on the bat. After drying, cleaning it up, getting used to it, and having throw downs with it, it feels super soft and is going to perform really really well, but I really don't think it will last for ever. I guess if I wanted that, I would buy a grade 3 bat. It has 14 grains evenly spaced but a bit wonky if I'm honest and has a few imperfections on the back. BIG 37mm edges for 2.9oz. Pretty well made for an off the shelf, but certainly does not have the attention to detail in the finishing of a L&W and I'm not convinced about the handle strength.

Anyway in conclusion, if you're want the best available, are happy to buy over the internet without feeling the bat in your hands, and are prepared to pay for the Signature, its a great choice and you'll love it. If you're not convinced that you will be 100% happy, go to your local store or from store to store if you have to, and find the best example of the shape/model of bat that you like and then replace it when you need a new one. Thats what I'll probably do next time, even if it ends up with 8 grains. Having tested multiple multiple bats from 7 grains to 25 grains, from small amount of heartwood to 75% heartwood, I realised that a soft low density piece of willow in the correctly suited shape, is the most important thing, although it won't last. Also allows you to then buy a new one :-).

On a side note about L&W, both of my bats are very well made and I'm sure they'll last far far longer than anything in any brand off the shelf. The handles are far better quality and the finishing is not comparable to anything but GM. One recommendation I would make though is, make sure you're firm about the max weight you will accept, as James in my experiences tends to make them heavier than you ask for.

Added a photo photos below for you.

Siganture Willow



Signature Bat



Legend Grain



Reserve when new



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Re: Signature
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2011, 09:39:22 AM »


great looking bats mate and welcome to the forum.......

finally a forum member has a Legend........

please can you do a proper review on the legend for us with plebty of pics including a side on one

Thanks in advance
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Re: Signature
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2011, 09:43:33 AM »

That reserve looks sexy as hell!
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Re: Signature
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2011, 09:48:23 AM »

That reserve looks sexy as hell!

Totally agree with you there mate... would love to see the profiles of both....

i think i prefer the face of the reserve tbh...
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Re: Signature
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2011, 11:49:56 AM »

cheers for the info have PM you.  To be fair the Legend in my opinion has the nicest grains although a close up on those Lavers would be nice ;)
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Re: Signature
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2011, 11:50:45 AM »

the reserve looks amazing, not so much the signature but hey, i wouldnt mind all three of those bats haha :)
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Re: Signature
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2011, 11:36:20 PM »

Just use the money and get all new kit. GN oblivion PP bat with oblivion tests softs would be my choice
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Re: Signature
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2011, 10:50:22 PM »

Welcome gtstarped - and lush bits of willow there fella!  ;)
I have 3 Lavers myself but no Sig! His finishing is great and he makes a bat that gets better as you use it more!
Not sure about a Legend. Had a play with the demo legend at the lords show which felt decent!! But I was actually more impressed with the top line GN keeper gloves - they felt so soft and comfortable and the best wicket keeper gloves I have ever tried!
I agree about Laver for the quality and a safe bet for quality and finish if you buy over the internet. The only thing I change is that I would rarely consider buying retail shop to shop. I would rather go to one of the custom makers and see what they have face to face.
But full marks on one of the best first posts I have seen - nice one!  :D
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Re: Signature
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2011, 11:19:56 AM »

Welcome gtstarped - and lush bits of willow there fella!  ;)
I have 3 Lavers myself but no Sig! His finishing is great and he makes a bat that gets better as you use it more!
Not sure about a Legend. Had a play with the demo legend at the lords show which felt decent!! But I was actually more impressed with the top line GN keeper gloves - they felt so soft and comfortable and the best wicket keeper gloves I have ever tried!
I agree about Laver for the quality and a safe bet for quality and finish if you buy over the internet. The only thing I change is that I would rarely consider buying retail shop to shop. I would rather go to one of the custom makers and see what they have face to face.
But full marks on one of the best first posts I have seen - nice one!  :D

I agree quality first post....... :)

lets hope we have more first posts like that
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Re: Signature
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2011, 12:53:14 PM »

First off let me say your bats look great and you seem genuinely happy with them, so congratulations on that.

As this is a forum where debate is permitted, and I am currently in talks with Laver for something similar, I feel the need to comment. For the price the signature is, I'd expect more. Sure, it looks great and I'm sure the performance is unparalleled BUT it isn't the most amazing piece of wood I've seen. For the price which we are all aware of, I would demand absolute perfection in both performance and looks. Let us be honest, top performing yet not so pretty bats can be bought for around £200. For the extra money I would expect a bat with out of the world performance plus perfect grain structure. Being honest, I think your reserve looks better and I'd guess it performs just as well.

The only thing that matters though is that you are happy with it, which you clearly are.

All the best.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2011, 01:02:37 PM »

I am loving that reserve. Congrats on your purchases. I hope they bring you lots of enjoyment.
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Re: Signature
« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2011, 01:34:53 PM »

for that price id want the bat to play the shots for me tbh ;)

but would i pay that sort of money..... maybe...... im not sure only time will tell i guess

I also agree that the reserve looks better but because of the heartwood probably isnt of signature grade. I've only seen one bat on this forum that everyone has said is nigh on perfect... so it does make me wonder how often these clefts come along that apparantly warrant the £800 price tag.

I personally think all 3 of those bats look cracking bats grainwise and providing they play well im sure GTSTARPD is over the moon with them and is a very lucky chap in my eyes.....

ps still waiting for the full on review of the legend ;)
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Re: Signature
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2011, 07:00:15 AM »

I saw a debate over this elsewhere and I'm not going to judge the price tag on the Signature, (although there is more value than one bat which we won't get it too either), however what James has done is set himself apart from other manufacturers early by providing the option to purchase a collectors item, with a large degree of exclusivity, which people are obviously willing to buy into. Whether the wood is 100% or 98% perfect, full credit to him, and whether a small spec or imperfection changes this, I don't think thats the point. Perfection in grain is also quite subjective, depending on your preferred specs and attention to detail.

You will notice with the new Newbery Cenkos, Sommers Blade, GN Legend (AUS + UK) and Slazenger Master Class, and others, that larger companies have realised there is a market for these types of offerings, whether logic justifies the extra cost or not. From a business point of view, the idea is fantastic! These clefts won't cost them anymore and we consumers are willing to pay considerable amounts more for them, improving their margins.

essexarsenal, i hope you got my PM, as I'm not able to find it in my sent items.
Canners1983, not sure I can be bothered reviewing legend, haven't used it enough either to give full details.

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Re: Signature
« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2011, 08:58:34 AM »

The clefts in the OP are fantastic, but we've seen bats from pretty much all the wonderful bat makers on this forum made from equally good wood.  Personally, price tags aside, I dont prefer the LW over a Shaddow, New Wave, 666, Erus, Ayrtek etc all of whom have produced bats with 10 perfect grains also. 
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