Topic: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers (Read 9794 times)

jonpinson · « **Reply #15 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:27:58 PM »

Quote from: peplow on January 09, 2011, 09:11:21 PM

yeah its like getting less for your money (nothing on show) in effect, a good point jon! Would be itneresting to hear what they say...

I suppose if they didnt keep the best willow the pro wouldnt come to them and so they'd miss out on money that way, as the best willow is limited they want to keep it for them and not use it on any folk. maybe?
its more they dont want to lose pro business by not having the wood than not wanting to sell to public?

Agree Sam, but �300 from a pro is the same as �300 from you or I when it is in the bank account. Beyond that, there are alot more of you and me ready to buy...

Tom · « **Reply #16 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:28:52 PM »

Quote from: peplow on January 09, 2011, 09:24:41 PM

i think he was asking what you think about them tom..

Ahh. In that case - it's much easier to sell a big bat. People demand huge edges as that's what is being used on TV. Pro's edges are huge as their clefts are very light, to get those on consumer bats you need to put the willow through a secondary drying clefts.

jonpinson · « **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:29:58 PM »

Quote from: Tom on January 09, 2011, 09:13:36 PM

Vanity would be one of the main reasons. Look how many claim to make bats for Tendulkar.

But is that not a bit of a unique example? If the batmaker is legally bound to silence on the topic by the terms of the sponsorship by the big brand, unless he breaks that silence and risks losing the deal and potentially legal action against him, is it worth it?

procricket · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:30:55 PM »

Hallelujah so is there any difference between a low density cleft and a bat artificial dried in terms of performance not durability

jonpinson · « **Reply #19 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:31:47 PM »

Quote from: Canners1983 on January 09, 2011, 09:18:38 PM

H4l have sold pro bats on here before I seam to remember.....

A couple of absolutely huge 2.9's

I seem to remember they were just shown as examples, and were on their way to a pro. I also think the pro was sponsored by H4L, which is a different situation.

Tom · « **Reply #20 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:32:41 PM »

It's tricky - the podshaver can't use the players images rights and the player cannot endorse another brand. But what's to stop old podshaver telling a few mates who spread it round for them? It happens though, hence why you heard about Matt Prior/Dhoni using Fusion's and Ricky Ponting using Bradbury's etc

Tom · « **Reply #21 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:34:45 PM »

Quote from: procricket on January 09, 2011, 09:30:55 PM

Hallelujah so is there any difference between a low density cleft and a bat artificial dried in terms of performance not durability

I don't know enough about the mechanics of willow to answer definitively. I'd still think the low density cleft performs better though.

jonpinson · « **Reply #22 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:35:58 PM »

Quote from: procricket on January 09, 2011, 09:30:55 PM

Hallelujah so is there any difference between a low density cleft and a bat artificial dried in terms of performance not durability

Nail and head mate.

We are taught that if a bat becomes too dry it becomes brittle and will break. We are also taught by the same batmakers that LD willow has the best performance, but may have a shorter life.

Call my cynical, but I'm beginning to think LD willow is just willow with lower moisture content (whether naturally or artificially). The two examples, one sought after, the other to be avoided at all costs are beginning to sound oddly similar...

peplow · « **Reply #23 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:36:55 PM »

Quote from: jonpinson on January 09, 2011, 09:27:58 PM

Agree Sam, but �300 from a pro is the same as �300 from you or I when it is in the bank account. Beyond that, there are alot more of you and me ready to buy...

but �300 from a pro for a pro bat and �250 from us for next best is �550, however �300 from us for pro one and no pro clefts left for pro means only �300 gained....

although after typing i realise we'd probably buy a 250 as well so could be same!

ignore me!

jonpinson · « **Reply #24 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:39:09 PM »

Quote from: Tom on January 09, 2011, 09:32:41 PM

It's tricky - the podshaver can't use the players images rights and the player cannot endorse another brand. But what's to stop old podshaver telling a few mates who spread it round for them? It happens though, hence why you heard about Matt Prior/Dhoni using Fusion's and Ricky Ponting using Bradbury's etc

It seems a hell of a gamble for the sake of extra sales. Perhaps the legal 'gagging orders' don't exist, or not with such severe consequences as I think.

I know there was a rumour that Steve Waugh used Bradbury over here in the '01 series when he was using unbranded bats, the period between GM and MRF. I guess when you have his stature you're not going to keep the bradbury stickers on unless they paid for it.

procricket · « **Reply #25 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:40:17 PM »

My question come onto Indian bats

The top quality ones most are massive for there weight most go like stink but most do not last and i agree or think most are over dried are they on bar with low density English bat???

I know Andy will come on and blow all my theory out of the water and fair play if he does there all good questions

pacman75cricket · « **Reply #26 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:40:58 PM »

I would presume reputation, pro talks about who he makes bats for him then fileters down.

For example round hear county captain used blank bats + everyone round here was using them bernie facer blanks helped they were a good price but everyone was using them

jonpinson · « **Reply #27 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:41:33 PM »

Quote from: peplow on January 09, 2011, 09:36:55 PM

but �300 from a pro for a pro bat and �250 from us for next best is �550, however �300 from us for pro one and no pro clefts left for pro means only �300 gained....

although after typing i realise we'd probably buy a 250 as well so could be same!

ignore me!

Answer me this, which of those would you likely buy, given that money was no object? 'Pro' willow is all the rage. If you and I bought one, we'd tell our mates, who'd tell their mates etc etc. Mr pro wouldn't exactly go around telling all and sundry if he was contracted to another brand...

jonpinson · « **Reply #28 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:43:36 PM »

Quote from: procricket on January 09, 2011, 09:40:17 PM

My question come onto Indian bats

The top quality ones most are massive for there weight most go like stink but most do not last and i agree or think most are over dried are they on bar with low density English bat???

I know Andy will come on and blow all my theory out of the water and fair play if he does there all good questions

That's my theory. Asian bats are big and go well, but are known to break down sooner rather than later. Seems to tick all the boxes.

I'd like to get my GT moisture tested, it is enormous for it's weight, if anything proved the theory, this would.

procricket · « **Reply #29 on:** January 09, 2011, 09:46:20 PM »

Not sure you have seen my ss it weight 2lb 6oz and goes like a bullit and is massive your not getting 40mm edges on a 2lb 6 without something but it goes well yes i have no doubt it will not last forever...

I have also another in the airing cupboard now which started at 3lb and going to try and get it down to around 2lb 9oz just to see

sorry JON I will try and stay on topic

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