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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2011, 10:55:57 PM »

all we want to know now is performance Ahmed we past all that
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2011, 11:05:01 PM »

sorry Dave, just loged on and got up to speed,

performance comes from two things, the pressing and the amount of wood behind the ball.

if we are sold real pro bats for say 300 quid, they only last 500-800 runs ( thats 4 games for me lol)

we would send it back as a warrantee repair. the batmaker loses out.

i have heard of comapnies over pressing to reduce warrantee work. . the opposite if u ike
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2011, 11:05:41 PM »

Gm said that maximum performance came at the optimal moisture levels of the bat from their research....therefore is this is true lowering the moisture content could have an adverse effect on the performance of the bat
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2011, 11:46:04 PM »

or ir would not last longer hence the warranty and life span

it interesting James Laver offers extra drying but if you go for this option it voids the warrenty but he says not the perfromance

and that only on his reserve bat
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2011, 11:58:43 PM »

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=4871.msg66416#msg66416

keep reading there the same but do you get same performance
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2011, 07:28:25 PM »

Oh well i think i have my answer then there been a lot of bat makers look at this topic and there silence is deafening
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2011, 10:20:35 PM »

I'll turn the question round, as I gave you an explanation why I wasn't answering this question last night!

Why does it matter, do you get a moisture content reader on all the bats you buy sell and would you know what is  an acceptable range moisture content of a bat?
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2011, 08:59:43 AM »

As i was lying in bed last night, I was giving this interesting thread some thought. It occurred to me that although Cricket Bats must be made of willow, baseball bats are often made of aluminium.

With an aluminium bat, you get a different noise, but the bat still has a weight, mass, MMi and CoR, and of course a MoE, and the shapes are similar whether would or Aluminium. In addition, the way it is used is different.

The question is really, aside from the pressing on a cricket bat blade, does it really matter whether it is a low density cleft, an overdried cleft, or a completely normal cleft? If a bat performs well enough according to any tests that you undertake, e.g. dropping a known mass on it from a known height and measuring rebound, and picks up in a way that you like, surely the skill and timing of the batsman is far more important in firing the ball to the boundary at a high speed than the size of the spine on the bat?

I'll give you the hypothetical situation of Marcus Tescothick's Mongoose challenge. You and he are both at Lord's with a bowling machine pinging down ball after ball consistently, and you take 12 balls each, sharing the same bat. Who is most likely to hit the ball over the Lord's pavilion?
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2011, 09:09:08 AM »

Tim - this hits the nail on the head. People on the forum are obsessed with "pro bats" and it frustrates me that members don't allow for the fact that Pro’s are just more talented and practice more and will therefore make any bat sound better than an amateur would.
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2011, 09:15:45 AM »

Tim, thinking about aluminium bats in bed is quite disconcerting :o. I have pondered similar issues as you have albeit over a glass of wine. What this excellent forum does apart from sharing knowledge is that it messes with our minds and finances.I played for many years with one bat but in the last 2 years have bought 8 bats from Lavers to laminates in the search of the ultimate performance bat. It is certainly a mental thing as my average has improved and confidence levels knowing that I am using a bigger and more powerful bat. Surely its all in the head as at our level the difference is more in the skill and timing of the individual. Ive seen quality club cricketers smash 150 with G3 bats that they borrowed and mugs like me cleaned up while holding a £180 bat. At my level I need all the help I can get which is why I will continue buying different bats.
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2011, 09:25:34 AM »

You'd be surprise which piece of willow they pick out, we in general don't reserve light weight / big volume willow for "pro's". If it is available, it is available to all.  The premium and selling point used to sell this willow is quotes like "Pro Willow", "Players willow" to distinguish it from the rest and re-iterates its rareness so there is clear reason to the customer why it is more expensive. They aren't generally obessed with pro willow, they dont come in and say I want pro willow they take look at all the piece there and ask for the bat makers opinion. 

Whereas on the other hand club players and forums are a bit more obsessed as you can see! :D

If I'm honest most 1st class cricketers are more interested with handle shape and feel of the bat - For example, I've spent 1.5 hours shaping a handle for a players bat with him in the workshop testing it what felt like everytime I shaved a bit off
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2011, 09:41:02 AM »



how would you describe the shape of this handle, must have been a work of art after 1.5 hours
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2011, 09:52:30 AM »

Andy that is all well and good and  thankyou for being the only batmaker to respond, but it doesn't answer my original question, rather the question the thread was hijacked with.
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2011, 09:53:39 AM »

I'm not overly fussed with willow tend to ask the bat maker as they know alot more than me I am fussy with my handles though not as much getting some shaved off but changing grips numerous times till it feels right and changes with each bat
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Re: Re; Yash's thread, another question for the batmakers
« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2011, 09:55:45 AM »

Andy

I have limited experiance with pro players picking there bats but the ones i have seen you hit the nail on the head they ask for handle shape and position and the only other thing they asked was for pick up....

My point on all this was the fact PRO Willow in my eye does not exist at all and it another way of people making money

One there was the heartwood fancy were former grade 3 wood was sought after and the prices were bump up accordingly

I think the same has happend here with so many claiming pro this pro that

All i am interested to be honest in a bat is weather it can hit me a ball for 4 or not so to speak and i can play every shot in the book with a bat..
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