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[Tumo]

Tumo not quite right there mate check the sizes and check the padding used in most Youth pads you find there mainly very different indeed to small mens pads which normally use the top padding were youth tend to go with mid range padding to help with costing

I have Dave, and I've also asked around at shops like Owzat, and a couple of brands, there is little difference in either, if you buy the top level of each size (youth and mens/small mens) for most brands there isn't much difference in terms of padding, but in price it is disproportionate.

[uknsaunders]

If you label a bat SH, you expect SH Dimensions for the blade. If you label a bat Harrow then you expect a blade with Harrow dimensions. If I sell a bat on ebay as a SH when the blade is Harrow then I will have to refund the buyer if he complains, surely as the item doesn't meet the description.

Now I am not saying the Joker remotely meets my simple example above, but the seller should explain in selling the item that the blade width is Harrow just as he has explained the shortened blade and long handle. Maybe it is explained somewhere, but it's the first I've heard of it.