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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: 19reading87 on March 07, 2011, 01:46:27 PM
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Quick question...
Why is English willow such cheaper if nurtured in India???
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Cause its Kashmir !
Its like buying a play dough box... wont do you much good.
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Quick question...
Why is English willow such cheaper if nurtured in India???
short answer is that we have a different climate
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Surely English willow would not be Kashmir??
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The willow is the same genetically. Just grown in a different area [Kashmir].
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EWNI is a different name for Kashmir Willow!
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EWNI is a genius marketing ploy for the dodgy ebay sellers! You get to see a huge part saying
Genuine English Willow Nurtured in India
I know a player at my club fell for this.
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Quick question...
Why is English willow such cheaper if nurtured in India???
Because its crap !
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Cheers all. Only reason I ask is because I have seen on the CJI website they have bays saying that...
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Bats*
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Cheers all. Only reason I ask is because I have seen on the CJI website they have bays saying that...
Ask Johan, he has a CJI EWNI of mine. He can tell you whether it is any good!
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Did you never use it then?
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Did you never use it then?
No. It didn't get any use.
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Certain grapes in France make Champagne, grow them in Scunthorpe and they make anti freeze rather than Champagne nurtured in England......
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Mike, when they say "English Willow grown in the UK nurtured in India" is this mean the clefts are EW grown in england then shipped elsewhere (india) where they are stored until ready to be processed into bats or just a confusing mis statement?
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Mike, when they say "English Willow grown in the UK nurtured in India" is this mean the clefts are EW grown in england then shipped elsewhere (india) where they are stored until ready to be processed into bats or just a confusing mis statement?
To nurture means to grow, so that means they are grown in both the UK and India... That's weird.
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English willow grown in India
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NO, it means they have taken a strain of willow from the UK and planted it in India, this does not make it English, the properties of English willow cannot be replicated in another country.
The only people using this phrase are people trying to con you.
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As it goes quite a few chamagne houses buy up grapes from the south of England as it does display the same characteristics as French grapes
although I am not so sir the se can be said of willow grown in Asia as they are completely different climates and the willow comes up heavy
but are there any other different characteristics to Asian wood or can you make the same bat out of it but it would be 2 lb heavier?
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The structure of the willow is the factor, there is a long slow growing season in the UK plus water all year round, this lays down an even steady growth of wood, but the other climates force a rapid short spurt and the willow produced in Kashmir has higher density and is more brittle.
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Sounds like it would make good firewood though
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Indeed it does, a true multi purpose wood, willow here burns too bright, I must get a picture of my Mothers fire when she starts it as she uses the sawn off waxed ends and broken part made bats sawn in two....
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Has James tried growing it in nz?
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thank guys, that helps. Obviously stick to EW grown in England!
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It is called English as it comes from England, I need a radical name for willow grown in Kashmir....
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Has James tried growing it in nz?
NZ South Island climate is similar to the UK as are places like Washington State and Oregon in the USA.
No reason English style willow cannot be grown elsewhere if the climate is similar.
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What you are looking for a is a site with constant running water nearby, a short mild winter so not really more than -5C at worst, a warm summer so not really more than 25C at max and a lack of high winds.
I have had willow from other countries but it has not worked out so far, there may be better coming in the future.
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What you are looking for a is a site with constant running water nearby, a short mild winter so not really more than -5C at worst, a warm summer so not really more than 25C at max and a lack of high winds.
I have had willow from other countries but it has not worked out so far, there may be better coming in the future.
Hope your not referring to those Ikea bats from Sweden you showed me yesterday : ]
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You can be honest and admit you are saving hard for the big one......
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You can be honest and admit you are saving hard for the big one......
I will be honest and say I have a few too many bats already and as much as I'd like that Instinct or something similar in proportions my wallet will be staying firmly in my pocket......for now! [Do let me know if you get something similar in at an ounce lighter and with a ever so slightly lower middle.]
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What you are looking for a is a site with constant running water nearby, a short mild winter so not really more than -5C at worst, a warm summer so not really more than 25C at max and a lack of high winds.
I have had willow from other countries but it has not worked out so far, there may be better coming in the future.
Mike, parts of Kashmir do have a similar climate but the winters are probably more extreme.
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I'm no expert on the region, the nearest I've been is Jalandhar, but would the summer not be hotter too?
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Did i hear something about dutch willow or am i going mad
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No, you are not mad, also other places in Europe but try the other side of the pond...
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No Mike, Kashmir is very different. It comprises the Northern parts of India and Pakistan. These places are very popular local tourism destinations during the summer.They also recieve quite a lot of precipitation and have plenty of running water. Jalandhar comprises the planar region and the weather is very hot in summer and not that cold in winter.
I think if serious research and planning goes into growing willow just for cricket Kashmir could work. But the problem right now, as you say, is that the willow grown there is multipurpose.
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I'm sure if it was good enough climate wise it would be massively grown by all the Indian and Pakistani batmakers, think of the money they would save, but it does not work, I've seen it good enough to match grade 1 English for looks, in fact I've seen it graded into about 6 grades but no matter how good it can look it never plays as well. It is a shame as now the felling has been massively restricted so I hear and not sure what will take it's place due to deforestation. Maybe Poplar will be back on the menu, Grey Poplar can look as good as anything but never played with it but guess performance would be some way short.
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I have herd of english willow grown in Wales and Australia and the first one i not sure about
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I've felled plenty of tree's in Wales, good quality too.
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south wales brecon area???
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Welshpool.
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I blocked that place out of my mind! Felling trees next to a railway line is definitely an experience!
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so what would people say about this....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CJI-CRICKET-ULTIMATE-5000-Cricket-bat-Extras-/300532683276?pt=UK_SportingGoods_CricketBats_SM&hash=item45f924d20c#ht_2876wt_905
Where it says about the wood....
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NZ South Island climate is similar to the UK as are places like Washington State and Oregon in the USA.
No reason English style willow cannot be grown elsewhere if the climate is similar.
Wonder if anyone has tried growing EW in the US.
"a short mild winter so not really more than -5C at worst, a warm summer so not really more than 25C at max and a lack of high winds."
That sounds exactly like the weather in the pacific northwest ... plenty of water there as well
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so what would people say about this....
[url]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CJI-CRICKET-ULTIMATE-5000-Cricket-bat-Extras-/300532683276?pt=UK_SportingGoods_CricketBats_SM&hash=item45f924d20c#ht_2876wt_905[/url]
Where it says about the wood....
Kashmir crap and misleading to most if the cricket playing publc
Krapmere should be called it and none of this (No Swearing Please) of enwi...
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hahahaha Dave
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Wonder if anyone has tried growing EW in the US.
"a short mild winter so not really more than -5C at worst, a warm summer so not really more than 25C at max and a lack of high winds."
That sounds exactly like the weather in the pacific northwest ... plenty of water there as well
Hence why I mentioned Washington State and Oregon.
I have been to both places and the climate is perfect...ie: no snow, but lots of rain and cool summers.
South island New Zealand is the same.
In Australia the best conditions for growing English Willow is Tasmania. The weather seldom gets above 24 in summer and while it gets to 0 in winter, it never goes below that. Plenty of water and space to have plantations there - logging is Tassies #1 industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunns
It can be done, it just depends on whether it is commercially viable.
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Certainly Vic, Tassie would be ideal, surprised it hasn't been done especially given the forestry expertise in the area. I thought EW was grown in southern Victoria?
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It certainly is.
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2005/s1385275.htm
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/bat-man-lachlan-fisher-is-still-bowling-them-over/story-e6frf7kx-1225965704582
I love how they phonetically spell the masters surname "Cransbula" instead of Kranzbuhler.
Anyway, enjoy the articles.
Vic