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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: iand123 on March 24, 2011, 08:40:07 AM
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He has flown back to England with depression and will miss the rest of the WC.
Im sure more will come out in the next few days, wonder if the pressures of touring are part of it?
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Just hope he gets well soon.
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Unfortunate for Yardy but England can know call up Rashid
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Extremely sad news, I hope he gets through it well.
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Unfortunate For him, touring must be hard physically and mentally. but, at international level He just doesn't cut the mustard anymore. No doubt he will have a decent county season though, I'm sure once he's back home things will improve
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Prior to reading Trescohtick's book i aleays thought depression was a bit "made up". Really tough illness and being away from home can only make it worse id have thought.
Hope he gets well too. England have applied for a replacement to the ICC, one would also assume Rashid would get the nod too
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Prior to reading Trescohtick's book i aleays thought depression was a bit "made up". Really tough illness and being away from home can only make it worse id have thought.
Hope he gets well too. England have applied for a replacement to the ICC, one would also assume Rashid would get the nod too
My parents are both psychiatrists, and close friends of the family work as Occupational Therapists and Psychologists, so I inevitably get stuck hearing a lot of info. Some of the things you hear are really quite scary, and after reading Tres's book, that was really interesting having an insight from the sufferer's perspective. It's really sad to hear it, and it also shows that even professional sportsmen and women aren't immune from the stuff we go through.
I'd take either Adil or Samit Patel, they'd both be very good replacements... If they're even needed!
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Prior to reading Trescohtick's book i aleays thought depression was a bit "made up". Really tough illness and being away from home can only make it worse id have thought.
Hope he gets well too. England have applied for a replacement to the ICC, one would also assume Rashid would get the nod too
I have suffered with it myself in the past. It's difficult to explain how fully it can affect your life. Outwardly you can appear to be functioning but inwardly just in a horrible state.
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Sad news, hope he's okay.
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I'd take either Adil or Samit Patel, they'd both be very good replacements... If they're even needed!
Be amazed if they took samit patel, arent they still saying he hasnt met the required fitness levels?
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I have suffered with it myself in the past. It's difficult to explain how fully it can affect your life. Outwardly you can appear to be functioning but inwardly just in a horrible state.
Yeah i was very naive in my thoughts originally. Must be tough for anyone to go through without the added media spotlight he'll no doubt get being a professional sportsman
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Be amazed if they took samit patel, arent they still saying he hasnt met the required fitness levels?
Samit Patel has been told he needs to improve his fitness before being selected, he's shown no signs or intention of doing so which is a shame because he is a real talent.
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Indeed, Samit Patel is a real talent and would excel in the international arena. It's just a waste that he doesn't want to lose a bit of weight. He doesn't need to lose a lot of weight, I think Flower said that he would've been picked if he had shown an interest in losing a bit of weight before picking the squad to take to the WC.
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I'm glad he's come out and said it's depression straight away, it sends an important message that it's a real illness that no one should feel ashamed about. I'm currently writing my dissertation on mental illness and depression.
Michael Vaughan more or less said in an interview for the bbc that Samit was lazy and overweight. Not in those words but you could tell what he was getting at.
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I believe England have asked the ICC to replace Yardy with Rashid.
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I think ICC should sort out some strict guidelines as to under what situation a player is allowed to be replaced. While an on-field or training injury should be grounds for replacement depression I am not too sure. Saying that I wish Yardy and his family all the best and hope he recovers soon.
My issue is not with England having any sort of advantage (which I think they won't have) but the room for abuse in this scenario. Any team with a under performing cricketer can request a replacement on these grounds. This is the World Cup after all and it is the responsibility of the management to ensure that their players are physically and mentally up to the task. So if the incident is not triggered by a trauma the player should not be replaced.
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I think ICC should sort out some strict guidelines as to under what situation a player is allowed to be replaced. While an on-field or training injury should be grounds for replacement depression I am not too sure. Saying that I wish Yardy and his family all the best and hope he recovers soon.
My issue is not with England having any sort of advantage (which I think they won't have) but the room for abuse in this scenario. Any team with a under performing cricketer can request a replacement on these grounds. This is the World Cup after all and it is the responsibility of the management to ensure that their players are physically and mentally up to the task. So if the incident is not triggered by a trauma the player should not be replaced.
There's no real way to measure depression and Yardy seems like a decent guy, so I doubt he's pulling a fast one
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Yeah i was very naive in my thoughts originally. Must be tough for anyone to go through without the added media spotlight he'll no doubt get being a professional sportsman
There is no shame in assuming things about it, because it isn't something that is discussed as much as it should be. There are alot of misconceptions and rather sadly today, a lot of people who decide they have depression so they don't have to go to work.
It is very difficult to describe to someone who has never experienced it what it is all about without it sounding 'a bit daft'. Trust me, it is anything but daft. Due to the insidious nature of it, sometimes the hardest thing can be to realise what is going on. Indeed I went through a couple of very dark years not knowing (or thinking) what was going on. Although you realise you are different to how you were, until someone realises or you realise yourself eventually, you have no idea what is going on. It was only really once I had had the luck to have removed myself from the environment in which it first struck, that I was able to look back and realise what was going on.
The other thing that isn't commonly understood is that it never really goes away. You have good times, you have bad times. Anything can trigger a bad time, no pre planning can be done. But it doesn't go away. It is always there, you can have the best day of your life and it is still there, niggling.
From my own experiences, the one most important thing you can do is you have a doubt, no matter how silly or trivial you consider it, get it checked out. In fairness, the health professionals who deal with this kind of thing are absolutely wonderful. If it turns out your concerns are nothing to worry about, so what? You've lost nothing. What you cannot allow to happen is to let it go on unchecked. It sucks you in, makes you unrecognisable in the way you live before you know it. Also, if you do suffer, tell people. Tell your family, tell your friends. Tell the people at work. People who have regular contact with you provide a good way of noticing if something isn't right, often before you realise you are on the way down again.
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I think ICC should sort out some strict guidelines as to under what situation a player is allowed to be replaced. While an on-field or training injury should be grounds for replacement depression I am not too sure. Saying that I wish Yardy and his family all the best and hope he recovers soon.
My issue is not with England having any sort of advantage (which I think they won't have) but the room for abuse in this scenario. Any team with a under performing cricketer can request a replacement on these grounds. This is the World Cup after all and it is the responsibility of the management to ensure that their players are physically and mentally up to the task. So if the incident is not triggered by a trauma the player should not be replaced.
Please don't think I am criticising you personally, but your post is a good example of the general ignorance and misconceptions that go on day to day about depression. It is such a shame that for some reason it seems to be a taboo subject, even today.
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I am sure that his condition is genunine, as I know first hand that depression is not something to joke about and I wish the bloke all the best.
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You should know being an Aussie at present ;)
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There is no shame in assuming things about it, because it isn't something that is discussed as much as it should be. There are alot of misconceptions and rather sadly today, a lot of people who decide they have depression so they don't have to go to work.
It is very difficult to describe to someone who has never experienced it what it is all about without it sounding 'a bit daft'. Trust me, it is anything but daft. Due to the insidious nature of it, sometimes the hardest thing can be to realise what is going on. Indeed I went through a couple of very dark years not knowing (or thinking) what was going on. Although you realise you are different to how you were, until someone realises or you realise yourself eventually, you have no idea what is going on. It was only really once I had had the luck to have removed myself from the environment in which it first struck, that I was able to look back and realise what was going on.
The other thing that isn't commonly understood is that it never really goes away. You have good times, you have bad times. Anything can trigger a bad time, no pre planning can be done. But it doesn't go away. It is always there, you can have the best day of your life and it is still there, niggling.
From my own experiences, the one most important thing you can do is you have a doubt, no matter how silly or trivial you consider it, get it checked out. In fairness, the health professionals who deal with this kind of thing are absolutely wonderful. If it turns out your concerns are nothing to worry about, so what? You've lost nothing. What you cannot allow to happen is to let it go on unchecked. It sucks you in, makes you unrecognisable in the way you live before you know it. Also, if you do suffer, tell people. Tell your family, tell your friends. Tell the people at work. People who have regular contact with you provide a good way of noticing if something isn't right, often before you realise you are on the way down again.
Completely agree with you mate. For the record i wasnt having a pop or being derogatory or anything like that. Wasnt trying to detract from anyone's depression compared to another or saying one case is more valid than any other, all i was saying is that it musn't be very nice to have to go through this in front of the sporting media on top of what he is going through already
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I think ICC should sort out some strict guidelines as to under what situation a player is allowed to be replaced. While an on-field or training injury should be grounds for replacement depression I am not too sure. Saying that I wish Yardy and his family all the best and hope he recovers soon.
My issue is not with England having any sort of advantage (which I think they won't have) but the room for abuse in this scenario. Any team with a under performing cricketer can request a replacement on these grounds. This is the World Cup after all and it is the responsibility of the management to ensure that their players are physically and mentally up to the task. So if the incident is not triggered by a trauma the player should not be replaced.
Feel that is really unrealistic. I dont imagine any proffesional cricketer would claim to be mentally not fit to compete without it being true. Infact I believe it is probably worse for them to sugger from depression than a hamstring injury. The ICC should have to take the word of the country unless they see reason to change opinion.
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Please don't think I am criticising you personally, but your post is a good example of the general ignorance and misconceptions that go on day to day about depression. It is such a shame that for some reason it seems to be a taboo subject, even today.
Don't worry I will not take it personally. Depression is not a taboo subject. Medication for depression is another thing though but not the subject here. I agree for someone who has not gone through depression it is difficult to comprehend. Even when you are in a state of depression you sometimes don't realize it there and then.
I am sure its a genuine issue with the lad and I hope he gets well soon. I stand by my argument though. The reason is that depression is a long term battle. Its something which the player already had but was undiagnosed at the time. I think it is not reasonable for a player to be replaced on these grounds. It is the responsibility of the management to ensure that all is well before a tour.
I may be ignorant on the issue so am open to everyone's opinion. If it is reasonable for ICC to replace a player on these grounds there should be strict regulations around it.
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I know very little about depression, I was only 11-12 when tresco was having his depression and I couldnt understand why he didnt just get on with it. Ive realised now how serious depression is, how horrible it must be and how subtly it can just sneak into your life. It must be dreadful, with the pressure of cricket, the media tension and the pressure that he might not get selected all must make it even worse.
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I know very little about depression, I was only 11-12 when tresco was having his depression and I couldnt understand why he didnt just get on with it. Ive realised now how serious depression is, how horrible it must be and how subtly it can just sneak into your life. It must be dreadful, with the pressure of cricket, the media tension and the pressure that he might not get selected all must make it even worse.
Yet at the same time being in his situation is good, as the close contact with people that knew him may well have helped him realise what was happening. Bopara has been quoted as saying they were concerned when they noticed a change in him.
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I did my Level 1 with Mike Yardy years ago under John Barclay(sussex),he was a lovely fella and easy to talk to.He was a Pro then,most of us just club players.
He's a brave bloke and people like Geoff Boycott should keep theirs mouths shut if they do not understand what he is going thru.
A lot of our players have young families and this schedule they are on should be used as a template as 'what not to do ever again'
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I did my Level 1 with Mike Yardy years ago under John Barclay(sussex),he was a lovely fella and easy to talk to.He was a Pro then,most of us just club players.
He's a brave bloke and people like Geoff Boycott should keep theirs mouths shut if they do not understand what he is going thru.
A lot of our players have young families and this schedule they are on should be used as a template as 'what not to do ever again'
Oh Boycs hasn't opened his mouth has he?! Argh, I think he's a wonderful commentator, but he says some bloody stupid things...
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the bbc dont have his comments any more but it's still on the Guardian website.
talk about rubbing salt in the wound.
He is a good commentator,he is also a complete muppet.Nothing is ever as good as in his day.
he was a good batsmen bit I turned off when he was batting,back on when Sir Viv was.
What's next Sachin has only got his run total because the bowling these days is no good???
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Oh Boycs hasn't opened his mouth has he?! Argh, I think he's a wonderful commentator, but he says some bloody stupid things...
Hasn't he just. I've lost a lot of respect for him today. Clearly a man from an era where 'depression' was something that sissy boys suffered from. He knows his cricket, but on this he is clueless and should keep his mouth shut.
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From someone who's experienced the effects of depression firsthand people like Geoff Boycott make me sick, he doesnt deserve to still be in a job, if Keys/Gray got shot down over there comments why shouldn't Boycott. More than likely it will be brushed aside as most people see depression as nothing serious, certain people need to open their eyes.
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It took me 23yrs before I was finally diagonsed with depression. Its very cycical and creeps up on you. I left my last club because the pressures of taking on the captaincy at very short notice before the start of the season,no players to pick from etc.. It made me ill. I joined a new club,told them what had happened and just turned up to play, with no pressure. Averaged 42 and the buggers have made me vice for next yr! It does put you in a dark place joking aside. I sat on the edge of a rock face on Kinder Scout in a blizzard not really caring if I fell 500ft or not. Id driven off from work after just losing the ability to speak while in a meeting.. walked out of office got in car ,drove to Edale and walked on the kinder plateau ( 2000 ft up, very artic in winter) in daze. A chance phone call from an old friend at that moment saved me I think.
Still on medication and a nightmare to live with
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Oh dear. . . .Boyc's what have you done. i love his commentary but this is unreal
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What has boycs actually said then
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I know how bad depression can be after my father suffered from it, he killed himself due to it, it's about time people started to understand the seriousness of it
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His words are even more foolish when you remember that he played with David Bairstow the Yorkshire keeper who took his own life. There is a book,written by Firth I think, specifically about cricketing suicides. He should apologise or go :(
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check out the guardian
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Just did pure boycs not subtle and just says what he thinks without thinking about what is a serious matter
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Boycott did of course play with David Bairstow.
The book referred to is called 'silence of the heart'
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It took me 23yrs before I was finally diagonsed with depression. Its very cycical and creeps up on you. I left my last club because the pressures of taking on the captaincy at very short notice before the start of the season,no players to pick from etc.. It made me ill. I joined a new club,told them what had happened and just turned up to play, with no pressure. Averaged 42 and the buggers have made me vice for next yr! It does put you in a dark place joking aside. I sat on the edge of a rock face on Kinder Scout in a blizzard not really caring if I fell 500ft or not. Id driven off from work after just losing the ability to speak while in a meeting.. walked out of office got in car ,drove to Edale and walked on the kinder plateau ( 2000 ft up, very artic in winter) in daze. A chance phone call from an old friend at that moment saved me I think.
Still on medication and a nightmare to live with
Good man :)
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What has boycs actually said then
Not even going to justify it by copying it here. Disgraceful stuff.
When will people learn it is a dreadfully serious illness, not 'being a bit weak'.
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I have seen many men with depressiona and post traumatic stress
Some do not believe in it it is a grave illness indeed and a bigger killer tham people could imagine
The truth is no matter who you are it can happen and it is real my simpothy and empothy goes out to you if you do
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Good man :)
Is that referring to my mate or my stunning average for the season? ( normally 27!) ;)
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Is that referring to my mate or my stunning average for the season? ( normally 27!) ;)
Haha. Nah, tis healthy to share these things. Refreshingly impressed by people's attitudes in this thread too.
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What Boycs said was very out of order, and typical Boycs. He doesn't understand it and considers it a weakness rather what it really is.
Fair play to Yardy for coming straight to the point, and hopefully getting back home to family and friends will help him sort out this latest round of his illness.
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Wonder what people views of depression are outside cricket? We've seen and heard about trescos battle, are we more sympathetic?
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I can tell you i have seen some of the hardest bravest men you could imagine crumble to this terrible disorder and no matter what walk of life your in this is real and no matter who you are it can happen.
If you have seen this disorder at first hand it is horrible and good luck and god bless anybody no matter who they are to win there battle with it
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The news that England cricketer Michael Yardy was forced to quit the World Cup because of depression may have left some sports fans scratching their heads. Why would a top sportsman suffer from depression? They're in top physical condition, enjoy the admiration of the public, are high-achieving highly-motivated individuals with clearly defined goals and earn a good deal more than the average citizen. Give us a break lads.
That's the kind of attitude which was evident in 2004 when then Aston Villa manager John Gregory ridiculed Stan Collymore when the player was suffering from depression on the somewhat dubious grounds that the striker wasn't a single mother living in a council flat. Or when New Orleans Saints manager Jim Haslett told the severely troubled running back Ricky Williams "stop being a baby and just play football."
There was more of this bullying ignorance dressed up as bluff common sense last week when Geoff Boycott opined that Yardy was actually quitting the England squad because he simply wasn't good enough and had been upset by Boycott's criticism of his bowling.
This idea that people suffering from depression should 'pull themselves together' and stop malingering is not confined to the world of sport. Partly it's because of the language we use when talking about our moods. We've all said at one time or another when feeling slightly down in the dumps, 'I'm feeling a bit depressed'. But there's as big a difference between 'feeling a bit depressed' and suffering from depression as there is between having a head cold and contracting swine flu.
What makes Boycott's attitude disheartening is that there's no excuse for anyone involved in English cricket to be ignorant about the consequences of depression. Because the sportsman who's done more than anyone else to increase awareness of depression is also an English cricketer, one whose world came tumbling down less than five years ago.
Marcus Trescothick looked like becoming one of England's greatest batsmen. Man of the one-day series when England played India in 2002, Pakistan in 2003 and the West Indies in 2004, he'd been their second top scorer when they defeated Australia in the great Ashes series of 2005. But in February 2006 he returned home from England's tour of India and in November of the same year quit the tour of Australia. He has not played for his country since.
What had happened? Trescothick recalled: "There were times when I didn't know how I was going to go on. I didn't know how I was going to come through the pain. Getting through the night seemed so difficult; getting through the rest of my life impossible . . . I felt myself fighting for breath and for a single moment's peace. 'God make it stop, please'. I started sweating heavily. I started shaking. I felt myself losing control, I was petrified." This outstanding cricketer had been floored by clinical depression.
Trescothick has fought back bravely against his illness. In 2009, he was voted Cricketer of the Year by his fellow professionals after topping the County Championship scoring chart. And, perhaps more importantly, the previous year he had won the William Hill Sports Book of the Year award for his autobiography Coming Back To Me which dealt intelligently and courageously with his depression and lifted the veil on one of the great taboo subjects in sport. It's not all been plain sailing -- he had to pull out of a major club tournament in India two years ago -- but Trescothick is an heroic figure.
We don't know if sportsmen are more susceptible to depression than other people but there are suggestions that they find the disease particularly difficult to deal with. In the words of Californian academic Michael Messner, who's written extensively and well on the sociology of sport, "Therapists will tell you that it's much harder for men to recognise the signs of depression and then to ask for help. Quintuple that for a famous man. Being an NFL star is like being put on a national stage as the ultimate man: tough, decisive, invulnerable. Superman isn't supposed to get depressed, so depression gets viewed as a source of shame, like failing at manhood."
Terry Bradshaw, one of only two quarterbacks to win four Superbowls and a man renowned during his career with the Pittsburgh Steelers for his toughness, concurs: "That's how it is in football. We're supposed to be big tough guys. You have depression? Shoot, that's not depression, that's weakness. We'll talk about cancer and every other disease, including alcohol and drug abuse, but people do not want to talk about depression. There's something about depression that seems to say 'I'm a tremendous failure' or 'I'm the biggest wuss there is'."
Bradshaw has come through to the extent that he's now a highly visible spokesman about mental health problems, and for a leading anti-depressant. But what about those who didn't make it? Because in the words of the great psychologist Victor Frankl, "suicide is depression's
sequel". In 1986, Alexis Arguello, one of the greatest boxers of all-time, was telling an interviewer, "I wish I had the guts to commit suicide" and about his feelings that he was "lonely in a world full of wrong things". Twenty three, presumably very tough, years later, the Nicaraguan shot himself dead. That November Robert Enke, who would have been Germany's first-choice goalkeeper in the World Cup finals of the following summer, threw himself in front of a train.
It's not a new phenomenon. Perhaps the greatest jockey of them all, Fred Archer, shot himself back in 1886. In 1957, Hughie Gallacher, one of Scotland's finest ever footballers, stepped in front of a train. Former world light heavyweight champion Freddie Mills shot himself in 1965, former world middleweight champion Randolph Turpin, who'd once beaten Sugar Ray Robinson, shot himself a year later. In 1982, Dave Clement, a linchpin of the great QPR team of the '70s, poisoned himself with weedkiller at the age of 34.
And it's something which has also touched Irish sport. It's still genuinely shocking to think that Darren Sutherland, the happy-go-lucky Irish hero of the 2008 Olympics who seemed to have a glittering professional career in front of him, felt driven to take his own life in London a year later.
Sutherland's tragic death focused attention on the problems of sportsmen with depression. But it was also another wake-up call for a country where the suicide rate among young men is frightening. A few weeks back, I was taking part in a panel discussion at a book festival in Ennis when a local teacher made a heartfelt plea which has stuck with me since. There was, she said, an epidemic of suicide in the vicinity of the school where she taught and the teachers were at their wit's end trying to console the kids who were profoundly affected by it. The mental health charity Aware reckons there are 300,000 people with depression in Ireland and over 500 suicides a year because of it. That is an awful lot of suffering.
Yet, given that young men are particularly prone to depression and suicide, sports stars can play an important role in increasing awareness of the disease. Look at the example of John Kirwan, the great All Black wing of the 1980s and '90s. Kirwan, an impressive physical specimen and a ruthless competitor, would have been nobody's idea of a depressive. But it hit him to the extent that he spent days on end in bed and worried about his sanity to the point of wondering if he might murder someone. "The biggest fear for me," he recalled, "was that I was never going to be well again. I was never going to be the John Kirwan that went into this."
But Kirwan didn't just recover, he appeared in advertisements on New Zealand television talking about his depression and became the public face of the disease in his home country. He also set up a website to help people with the illness. At a test match, Kirwan was approached by a fellow spectator who told him, "Without you I'd be dead." His message is simple, "Rich, poor, skinny, fat, famous or not famous, it's an illness. If you had any other illness, you'd go straight to the doctor and get help." Terry Bradshaw purveys the same message, "go see your doctor. Go talk to a psychiatrist. And when you get the help you need, you're going to wonder why you didn't do it a long time ago."
That may seem like simple advice but the fact is that there is still a stigma about admitting to any form of mental illness. Perhaps the nastiest article I've ever read in an Irish newspaper was one which attacked Kenneth Egan when he was finding his new-found fame difficult to deal with and had dropped off the Irish boxing team and taken time out in America.
That article berated Egan as a weakling who should have been more macho because he was a boxer. The awful thing is that I know if Darren Sutherland had reached out for help in his hour of need he'd probably have had similar sneers directed towards him.
But it's the Kenneth Egan way, of talking about your problems and not bottling them up, which is the way to get through the tough times.
Because the great thing about what Kirwan, Bradshaw and Trescothick and the likes of Ronnie O'Sullivan, Frank Bruno and Neil Lennon, who've also talked about their depression, did is to show that there is nothing shameful about having the disease. Frank Bruno isn't a wimp and John Kirwan isn't
a loser. The strongest of men can be laid low by this disease. Yet there are still too many men out there trying to fight the disease on their own. The pubs are full of guys trying to self-medicate with alcohol, which given that booze is a depressant is the very definition of a vicious circle.
There is a stigma about mental illness. But it's not the fault of the sufferer. The healthiest way to look at it is perhaps to realise that anyone who mocks someone else's ill health is a (No Swearing Please). And who cares what a (No Swearing Please) says to you or about you?
Top sportsmen may be at increased risk of depression because success at the highest level can require a monomaniacal devotion which means that injury, a loss of form or defeat can seem like the end of the world. Sometimes I cringe when I hear young lads say that they've 'put their life on hold' for their game. Because you should never put your life on hold. You can't anyway, it's got to be lived no matter what you're striving for.
One of the best things which could happen for the young men struggling to keep their heads above water would be for a major sports star to emulate Donal óg Cusack and come out. Even one player talking about battling depression would have a huge effect in terms of public attitudes, just as Donal óg did. And you can be sure that there's a lot more than one player out there.
For the moment, the sportsman suffering from depression will have to cope with the fact that in the words of Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams, "In sports when it's a broken bone, teams will do everything in their power to make sure it's okay. When it's a broken soul, it's like a weakness." Williams was once the most promising prospect in American football. But he suffered very badly with his nerves. The fly-on-the-wall documentary about his life, Run Ricky Run, shows a man in such a stage of mental anguish it's almost impossible to watch. Yet media pundits at the time queued up to berate him for not manning up and getting back on the pitch. In the end he had the courage to step away from the game and return years later, older, happier and still pretty good. He bent so he wouldn't break.
Because, while there are those who don't make it through, there are also those who do. Men like America's Jimmy Shea, who battled depression before winning the gold medal in the Skeleton event at the 2002 Winter Olympics. "Winning a gold medal," said Shea, "is the ultimate. But I wouldn't trade happiness for it. Not in a million years." It's a motto to live by.
a article on it
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Anyone who has read Marcus Trescothick's book will see that it is a major illness.
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Anyone who has read Marcus Trescothick's book will see that it is a major illness.
Agreed! Might be more sportsman come out with this soon...