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[Opener]

I think ICC should sort out some strict guidelines as to under what situation a player is allowed to be replaced. While an on-field or training injury should be grounds for replacement depression I am not too sure. Saying that I wish Yardy and his family all the best and hope he recovers soon.

My issue is not with England having any sort of advantage (which I think they won't have) but the room for abuse in this scenario. Any team with a under performing  cricketer can request a replacement on these grounds. This is the World Cup after all and it is the responsibility of the management to ensure that their players are physically and mentally up to the task. So if the incident is not triggered by a trauma the player should not be replaced.

[Jeet]

I think ICC should sort out some strict guidelines as to under what situation a player is allowed to be replaced. While an on-field or training injury should be grounds for replacement depression I am not too sure. Saying that I wish Yardy and his family all the best and hope he recovers soon.

My issue is not with England having any sort of advantage (which I think they won't have) but the room for abuse in this scenario. Any team with a under performing  cricketer can request a replacement on these grounds. This is the World Cup after all and it is the responsibility of the management to ensure that their players are physically and mentally up to the task. So if the incident is not triggered by a trauma the player should not be replaced.

There's no real way to measure depression and Yardy seems like a decent guy, so I doubt he's pulling a fast one

[jonpinson]

Yeah i was very naive in my thoughts originally. Must be tough for anyone to go through without the added media spotlight he'll no doubt get being a professional sportsman

There is no shame in assuming things about it, because it isn't something that is discussed as much as it should be. There are alot of misconceptions and rather sadly today, a lot of people who decide they have depression so they don't have to go to work.

It is very difficult to describe to someone who has never experienced it what it is all about without it sounding 'a bit daft'. Trust me, it is anything but daft. Due to the insidious nature of it, sometimes the hardest thing can be to realise what is going on. Indeed I went through a couple of very dark years not knowing (or thinking) what was going on. Although you realise you are different to how you were, until someone realises or you realise yourself eventually, you have no idea what is going on. It was only really once I had had the luck to have removed myself from the environment in which it first struck, that I was able to look back and realise what was going on.

The other thing that isn't commonly understood is that it never really goes away. You have good times, you have bad times. Anything can trigger a bad time, no pre planning can be done. But it doesn't go away. It is always there, you can have the best day of your life and it is still there, niggling.

From my own experiences, the one most important thing you can do is you have a doubt, no matter how silly or trivial you consider it, get it checked out. In fairness, the health professionals who deal with this kind of thing are absolutely wonderful. If it turns out your concerns are nothing to worry about, so what? You've lost nothing. What you cannot allow to happen is to let it go on unchecked. It sucks you in, makes you unrecognisable in the way you live before you know it. Also, if you do suffer, tell people. Tell your family, tell your friends. Tell the people at work. People who have regular contact with you provide a good way of noticing if something isn't right, often before you realise you are on the way down again.

[jonpinson]

I think ICC should sort out some strict guidelines as to under what situation a player is allowed to be replaced. While an on-field or training injury should be grounds for replacement depression I am not too sure. Saying that I wish Yardy and his family all the best and hope he recovers soon.

My issue is not with England having any sort of advantage (which I think they won't have) but the room for abuse in this scenario. Any team with a under performing  cricketer can request a replacement on these grounds. This is the World Cup after all and it is the responsibility of the management to ensure that their players are physically and mentally up to the task. So if the incident is not triggered by a trauma the player should not be replaced.

Please don't think I am criticising you personally, but your post is a good example of the general ignorance and misconceptions that go on day to day about depression. It is such a shame that for some reason it seems to be a taboo subject, even today.

[langer17]

I am sure that his condition is genunine, as I know first hand that depression is not something to joke about and I wish the bloke all the best.

[roco]

You should know being an Aussie at present

[iand123]

There is no shame in assuming things about it, because it isn't something that is discussed as much as it should be. There are alot of misconceptions and rather sadly today, a lot of people who decide they have depression so they don't have to go to work.

It is very difficult to describe to someone who has never experienced it what it is all about without it sounding 'a bit daft'. Trust me, it is anything but daft. Due to the insidious nature of it, sometimes the hardest thing can be to realise what is going on. Indeed I went through a couple of very dark years not knowing (or thinking) what was going on. Although you realise you are different to how you were, until someone realises or you realise yourself eventually, you have no idea what is going on. It was only really once I had had the luck to have removed myself from the environment in which it first struck, that I was able to look back and realise what was going on.

The other thing that isn't commonly understood is that it never really goes away. You have good times, you have bad times. Anything can trigger a bad time, no pre planning can be done. But it doesn't go away. It is always there, you can have the best day of your life and it is still there, niggling.

From my own experiences, the one most important thing you can do is you have a doubt, no matter how silly or trivial you consider it, get it checked out. In fairness, the health professionals who deal with this kind of thing are absolutely wonderful. If it turns out your concerns are nothing to worry about, so what? You've lost nothing. What you cannot allow to happen is to let it go on unchecked. It sucks you in, makes you unrecognisable in the way you live before you know it. Also, if you do suffer, tell people. Tell your family, tell your friends. Tell the people at work. People who have regular contact with you provide a good way of noticing if something isn't right, often before you realise you are on the way down again.

Completely agree with you mate. For the record i wasnt having a pop or being derogatory or anything like that. Wasnt trying to detract from anyone's depression compared to another or saying one case is more valid than any other, all i was saying is that it musn't be very nice to have to go through this in front of the sporting media on top of what he is going through already

[Ciaran]

I think ICC should sort out some strict guidelines as to under what situation a player is allowed to be replaced. While an on-field or training injury should be grounds for replacement depression I am not too sure. Saying that I wish Yardy and his family all the best and hope he recovers soon.

My issue is not with England having any sort of advantage (which I think they won't have) but the room for abuse in this scenario. Any team with a under performing  cricketer can request a replacement on these grounds. This is the World Cup after all and it is the responsibility of the management to ensure that their players are physically and mentally up to the task. So if the incident is not triggered by a trauma the player should not be replaced.

Feel that is really unrealistic. I dont imagine any proffesional cricketer would claim to be mentally not fit to compete without it being true. Infact I believe it is probably worse for them to sugger from depression than a hamstring injury. The ICC should have to take the word of the country unless they see reason to change opinion.

[Opener]

Please don't think I am criticising you personally, but your post is a good example of the general ignorance and misconceptions that go on day to day about depression. It is such a shame that for some reason it seems to be a taboo subject, even today.

Don't worry I will not take it personally. Depression is not a taboo subject. Medication for depression is another thing though but not the subject here. I agree for someone who has not gone through depression it is difficult to comprehend. Even when you are in a state of depression you sometimes don't realize it there and then.

I am sure its a genuine issue with the lad and I hope he gets well soon. I stand by my argument though. The reason is that depression is a long term battle. Its something which the player already had but was undiagnosed at the time. I think it is not reasonable for a player to be replaced on these grounds. It is the responsibility of the management to ensure that all is well before a tour.

I may be ignorant on the issue so am open to everyone's opinion. If it is reasonable for ICC to replace a player on these grounds there should be strict regulations around it.

[Apple]

I know very little about depression, I was only 11-12 when tresco was having his depression and I couldnt understand why he didnt just get on with it. Ive realised now how serious depression is, how horrible it must be and how subtly it can just sneak into your life. It must be dreadful, with the pressure of cricket, the media tension and the pressure that he might not get selected all must make it even worse.

[jonpinson]

I know very little about depression, I was only 11-12 when tresco was having his depression and I couldnt understand why he didnt just get on with it. Ive realised now how serious depression is, how horrible it must be and how subtly it can just sneak into your life. It must be dreadful, with the pressure of cricket, the media tension and the pressure that he might not get selected all must make it even worse.

Yet at the same time being in his situation is good, as the close contact with people that knew him may well have helped him realise what was happening. Bopara has been quoted as saying they were concerned when they noticed a change in him.

[ppccopener]

I did my Level 1 with Mike Yardy years ago under John Barclay(sussex),he was a lovely fella and easy to talk to.He was a Pro then,most of us just club players.
He's a brave bloke and people like Geoff Boycott should keep theirs mouths shut if they do not understand what he is going thru.
A lot of our players have young families and this schedule they are on should be used as a template as 'what not to do ever again'

[Tumo]

I did my Level 1 with Mike Yardy years ago under John Barclay(sussex),he was a lovely fella and easy to talk to.He was a Pro then,most of us just club players.
He's a brave bloke and people like Geoff Boycott should keep theirs mouths shut if they do not understand what he is going thru.
A lot of our players have young families and this schedule they are on should be used as a template as 'what not to do ever again'

Oh Boycs hasn't opened his mouth has he?! Argh, I think he's a wonderful commentator, but he says some bloody stupid things...

[ppccopener]

the bbc dont have his comments any more but it's still on the Guardian website.
talk about rubbing salt in the wound.
He is a good commentator,he is also a complete muppet.Nothing is ever as good as in his day.
 he was a good batsmen bit I turned off when he was batting,back on when Sir Viv was.

What's next Sachin has only got his run total because the bowling these days is no good???

[jonpinson]

Oh Boycs hasn't opened his mouth has he?! Argh, I think he's a wonderful commentator, but he says some bloody stupid things...

Hasn't he just. I've lost a lot of respect for him today. Clearly a man from an era where 'depression' was something that sissy boys suffered from. He knows his cricket, but on this he is clueless and should keep his mouth shut.