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Equipment => Wicket Keeping => Topic started by: thecord on May 20, 2011, 08:19:55 PM
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Sometimes when batsmen have particularly flamboyant back lifts I find it near impossible to stay in a regular position up to the stumps and actually see the ball. I have tried shifting further outside off stump to get a better view but can then be stranded if the ball goes down leg side. Does anyone have any tips for dealing with this?
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i'd be interested in any tips too, i find this problem really puts me off and sometimes makes me lose the all on it's way down
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Yea that's exactly what I'm talking about. I have told several batsmen to sort their back lift out but it generally doesn't go down too well!
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Get in the same position as usual but just move your head sideways, u have to appreciate your body wont be inline but sometimes "beggers cant be choosers"
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Yea I have tried this but find that it starts me off balance. I am guessing there is no perfect solution to this but just wondering how everyone else deals with it.
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I never look at the batsmen. If I get whacked, I get whacked, but I watch the ball from the start of the run up mate
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for me it's nothing to do with the batsman, it's his bat blocking my view when i am watching the ball
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Yes exactly, I'm talking about having your view of the ball blocked by the bat when the batsman has a dodgy back lift which doesn't go straight back. Tend to get one or two a game who give me this problem.
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Stay low (lean right to "peer" around the batsman), watch the ball off the deck to get an idea of the trajectory to know what hight the ball will be for the take. if the ball goes down the leg side you will have to be sharp but be discaplined and stay alert!
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Looks like I may need to go back to experimenting with the sideways lean then. First couple of games this year I've shifted my starting position a foot or so towards off and, touch wood, had two byeless games but am sure my luck will run out!
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its really the only way mate, stick with it mate and stay sharp!
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i've found that by "bouncing a bit when standing up i stay lower for longer and keep better, sounds weird i know but it works for me
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I'm sure we all have our quirks. Might try that as my creaking knees could well put the batsman off
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haha, well i'm only 17 so my knees have a few years left!
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Make the most of it mate, by the time you're my age wd40 will be a standard part of your kit bag!
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haha, to be fair, with the amount my legs have been aching after a game this might be my last season of keeping!
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Hang in there, I find it gets better each game for the first month or so of the season. Never fully goes away though
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as said above i just lean a little to the right mate. if u have good reactions u will be fine.
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Cheers Simmy, was hoping you'd reply having seen you like to stand up. Two spinners in the side for tomorrow so I will give it a go.
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I dont't think there is one solution but several options. I know excactly what you mean thou and although it is annoying as said before, beggers can't be choosers.
The batsman can lift his bat how he likes. if you don't like it you don't have to keep up.
Leaning to the right is often the best way to get a clear view of the ball out of hand. But sometimes trying to keep your head a little higher will give you vision over the bat, or even stay especially lower in a crouch to see under it.
But it is critical not to have your view blocked as the ball leaves hand and during flight. Otherwise you are putting yourself under too much pressure to find it somewhere, too late to react.
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i had this today and i actaully just moved about an inch to the right so my right aye could see the ball all way. its all well and good as long as the bowlers are bowling a tight offstick line. got another 2 vicitms today so thats 9 in 5 games :D
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i also had this today, but it was a left hander and our bowler was bowling horrible leg side pies. it was challenging to say the least :)
i found a gap between the batsman's bat/arms and his body which i could peek through.
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Gap finding is an interesting option. We got beat pretty easily yesterday and this didn't crop up but I will give all your advice a try when it does. Only 1 victim for me yesterday, but we only took 6 wickets. Was gutted to concede my first bye of the season!
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It all depends on how fixed you are with your keeping stance and how well conditioned your legs/groins are.
I experimented with "the lean" but also found myself overbalancing so whenever I get one of these "unorthodox" back lifts I move my outside foot wider by around 4-6 inches. This gives you a slightly wider head position to start with but also gives you a more stable base if you still need to lean slightly.
Like I say, can be an absolute killer on the legs/groins so I still find the best thing to do is abuse the batter until he gets so fed up he changes. :)
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After my comment the other day, this actually happened to me on Saturday and it was a bloody nightmare. Couldn't think of anything but to move my head as much as possible
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After my comment the other day, this actually happened to me on Saturday and it was a bloody nightmare. Couldn't think of anything but to move my head as much as possible
Haha I am glad after your initial dismissal of my query! Interesting idea about having a wider base, have a 20over game tomorrow so I might give it a try then. No quicks playing so I'll be stood up the whole time
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I didn't dismiss what you said, just had not experienced it before
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It's probably an indication of the standard I play at that I get it on such a frequent basis
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20 over format will probably be ideal mate, wont ruin the legs as much.
It feels really strange to start with but you get used to it soon enough.
Hope it helps, let me know.
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Gap finding is an interesting option. We got beat pretty easily yesterday and this didn't crop up but I will give all your advice a try when it does. Only 1 victim for me yesterday, but we only took 6 wickets. Was gutted to concede my first bye of the season!
first bye? your either a amazing keeper, the bowlers are excellent or you dont play on the poor wickets we have this season. ive probably let 25 go so far in 8 games. most of those are the horrible ones that dont bounce then bounce at your face about a foot infront of you when standing back. if anybody has got any tips other than self preservation i would love to know!
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first bye? your either a amazing keeper, the bowlers are excellent or you dont play on the poor wickets we have this season. ive probably let 25 go so far in 8 games. most of those are the horrible ones that dont bounce then bounce at your face about a foot infront of you when standing back. if anybody has got any tips other than self preservation i would love to know!
i thought the same tbh, but i kept well last game and only gave away 1 bye, and the pitch wasnt the best, had a few good stops down the legside off ones that bounced just before me
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Only played 3 games so not that amazing! Have been keeping well and got a bit lucky with ones that were called wides once or twice. Strange that I can't remember another byeless game but this year I managed two on the bounce followed by an innings with just one. Spoiled it all in a 2020 tonight anyway with several byes on an old pitch and a second ball duck :(
Also got horribly cheated out of a stumping where the guy was STILL out of his crease when the umpire gave it not out! >:(
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i find the most difficult deliveries are over-pitched ones when standing up to a medium pacer. as one of the taller keepers (6'2") i find the short stuff easy and my feet are quick enough to pick up most things down leg side.
however anything overpitched gives me real trouble - how do i get past this?
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Rich, I'm a similar height and had the same problems when I was younger.
Difficult to say without watching you but I would guess you are coming up too early, when you are that bit taller it is very difficult to readjust and get back down.
The key is to stay in your crouch until the ball pitches, I sometimes actually take the ball still in my crouch. If this doesnt feel comfortable then work on only coming up with your knees, not your head, your back or most importantly your gloves. Practice going into your crouch and then try and straighten your legs to a standing position without moving the rest of your body, this will keep your gloves low, your head still and give you a good position to adjust if necessary.
Hope this works for you
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i'd say you're right - i've worked hard through this pre season as i had a tendency to rise too early and step back to a more comfortable catching height. i don't like taking the ball still in my crouch but i guess that's the only way. i've experimented with going to a wider stance when i can see the ball is overpitched but that's not ideal either.
it's difficult at my club because the 1st team keeper is 5'6 and has been coached all his life. i'm a converted football goalkeeper and one of the other lads is a converted ice hockey goaltender, so we both have different (bad) habits!
maybe i just need to get in the net with a bowling machine and fire yorkers in until i'm good/broken.
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Good mix of sporting backgrounds! I too am a converted football goalkeeper though at 5' 8 I guess I have things much easier than you. No tips I am afraid other than forcing yourself to stay low longer, do a training drill with a mate who whacks you every time you stand up too early?!
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Your hands have to be at the same height as the ball as it rises from the deck, if the ball is full and you are standing up just keep your hands on the deck. It is easier to come up in one fluid move than it is to go back down again.......hope that helps mate!
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OP, sorry to hijack the thread. (First post, didnt want to start an already existing thread :D)
My keeping has significantly improved this season and I am enjoying it so much.
MY own question: Anybody got tips for keeping to bowlers with a left hand over action? I find the ball coming across my body rather than into my body slightly unnatural for taking it into the gloves.
My team has one LHB who is medium pace and I stand up to him which I dont mind, but I find myself stepping back on my right foot and taking the ball before my body with outstretched arms, which I know is bad so need to improve.
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being quite tall i often take the ball in front of my body as it's a more natural height.
if someone's bowling left arm over the wicket to a right handed batsman, i'll normally take my stance a little wider than normal as his natural line would be across the batsman. you might find it easier to turn slightly so that you're square on to the bowler, rather than staying parallel to the crease. does that make sense?
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Thanks, will have to try that. It sounds like you mean my right foot closer to the crease than my left foot, but with a steady balanced stance?
New point: anybody play in South West London? (Wandsworth area) I have just moved down here from near nottingham and have no one to train with at the moment, have looked at local clubs but the membership fee's are 8 times more than I would normally pay when there are not many games left.
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pm me, I play at the bank of England sports club in putney/roehampton
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Thanks, will have to try that. It sounds like you mean my right foot closer to the crease than my left foot, but with a steady balanced stance?
I think that's what rich is suggesting yes and that's also what I do on the rare occasion I keep to left arm over bowlers. It's the same principle for standing up to left hand bats facing right arm over bowlers. Just be careful not to turn too much or it can put your sideways movement off.
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First time last weekend, I was stood up and the batsman played a paddle/dilscoop to fine leg.
Have any keepers on here developed a tatic for that shot?
Would love to work on one!
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When the batsman has his backlift in your eyeline stay exactly as you would normally and look at either the pitch or where the ball will be coming from .... the batsman will move his bat out of your sight and you should be able to see the ball fairly early
takes practice buts its worth going in the nets and doing some practice.