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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: uknsaunders on June 08, 2011, 09:54:00 AM
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love it:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/13695380.stm
Here's the scorecard:-
http://addington1743.play-cricket.com/scoreboard/scorecard.asp?id=11253894
Here's the stats :-)
http://addington1743.play-cricket.com/profile/statistics.asp?id=11873081
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The thing is - he was playing in a village game, most likely for a friend, certainly not being paid... he does appear to have ruined the game somewhat!
it isn't even a Surrey Championship game!!
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Yes but his ban is from all cricket even friendlys village no matter what so his ban should be extended for me as he has broken the rules
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If this is him then both he and the club have shown enormous levels of stupidity!
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Roco - I agree - it seems odd that he would have played, but I can totally understand that he wanted to!
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The photo they showed on sky sports looked very similar but still has to be proved I suppose
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it's completley stupid by the team he is playing for
it does'nt matter whether it's a village game or an internation-he's banned
big problem's here I think...
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class haha
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The bloke who got 73 not out is cock a hoop I bet having faced such a good bowler and stayed in
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surely anyone who plays cricket with the smallest amount of knowledge of the game should have said 'hold on, this guy looks familiar' and questioned it. umpires not bothered? guy being called mohammed amir and being pretty much unplayable?
alarm bells anyone?
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Knobs all round. 85+ mph swing bowler who doesn't speak great English and looks a bit like the guy who was all over the press last summer.
FFS.
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How dumb to the club have to be to put his correct name down though if your going to cheat at least use a brain cell and change his name then say he just looks like him
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No 'no balls' bit of a shame
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Surely they should have used a different name if it wad him....
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Standard cant be that bad if he only for 4 wickets!
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This story is on the back page of the daily star with a pic if him and the other teams captain!
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jun/08/banned-mohammad-amir-admits-surrey (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jun/08/banned-mohammad-amir-admits-surrey)
And now he speaks...
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That report says it was a friendly but the scorecard says league match?
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Yea looks as though it has definitely counted in their league
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"He did not stay for the whole game" - Hits 60, takes 4 wickets for 9 runs and then f**ks off
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The point is , Hes in trouble he has broke the rules it will be a longer ban now
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Surely he should know that his ban extends to all cricket and cricket-related activity. He can't rock up and play in a friendly game. Naivety and youth can only be used as an excuse for so long. He is an enormous talent, but unfortunately will have to face the consequences.
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they may well add the 2 years suspended on ,so instead 0f 5 years with 2 suspended he ends up with a 7 year ban. He must have known it was a league match or else he has been very very badly advised.I personally think the club is totally at fault,they should be thrown out of the Surrey League.
I dont believe for one second they did not know about his ban!!
Personally,whilst my view my be in the minority,Amir deserves his ban,so does Butt and Asif, but that dressing room has been rotten with corrution for a long time.
He did wrong and got caught......many many others have got away with it....
and they have got away with it......
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Paul Harrison, the chairman of the Surrey Cricket League, said: "This leaves us in a bit of a quandary. The critical question that we as a league need to have answered in black and white before we can take any action is the ramifications of this gentleman's – or alleged gentleman's – ban. I've read the ICC tribunal decision, but I'm no legal expert, and I need to find out from the powers that be what it actually means."
Errr, correct me if I'm wrong but an ICC ban on "Any Cricket-related activity" also includes your league, and any activity involving a cricket bat and cricket ball, of any description. You, Sir, are a complete idiot. You, Sir, and the League committee all deserve to be sacked and replaced by people who know what they are doing.
In addition, the same is true of the club.
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"I was informed by club representatives before the game that it was a friendly match, being played on a privately owned cricket ground," Amir told PakPassion.net. "I asked the club representatives if the match fell under the jurisdiction of the ECB and they informed me that the match did not. I spoke to several club representatives about the issue and they all told me that it was a friendly match and therefore would not contravene my ban from the ICC. I was informed that I was fine to play."
Amir also denied that he had signed any registration documents with the club and insisted that he would never have taken the risk of playing had he known it was an official match.
"I would not be stupid enough to knowingly play in a match that I knew would contravene my ban. Wherever I am going to play cricket, the world will know about it. I would not be stupid enough to play in a match where I knew that I would be taking a risk".
Amir was central to Addington's 81-run victory in the game, against St Luke's CC. He surprisingly opened the innings and scored 60 before returning figures of 4 for 9 in seven overs.
This is not the first time Amir has appeared in a game which has had to be investigated by cricket authorities. Earlier this year in January, when he was under provisional suspension and still awaiting punishment for the Lord's scandal, he turned out for a Rawalpindi club to play a friendly game. That prompted the ICC and PCB to investigate the nature of the game before the former eventually concluded that it was an unofficial game and the club wasn't registered with the Rawalpindi cricket association; Amir was thus found to have not broken the ICC's anti-corruption code of conduct.
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The club and Amir are both at fault. The club should be docked points and Amirs two years suspended should be added on, no ifs and buts about it
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I need to know if he wants a game in mid July, strictly a 8 a side tournament with 4 invented teams for the day. If anyone has a number for him please forward it on.
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ha!
interesting how he could play in a Surrey Div 1 game without signing any forms(according to the press)
we play in middlesex and can't play without a photo id being logged with the league and having registration forms submitted signed by our secretary........
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we play in middlesex and can't play without a photo id being logged with the league and having registration forms submitted signed by our secretary........
Is that Middlesex Championship? Nothing like that in the MCCL, although all first team players have to be registered.
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In the Somerset league you have to get your fingers and toes counted to prove you are not an outsider......
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11 of each I assume?
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Bridgwater and Yeovil require 12 of each plus the ability to bring your sister and wife along to meals as your plus one.
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In the Somerset league you have to get your fingers and toes counted to prove you are not an outsider......
Plus a birth certificate proving that your mother is related by blood to your father. That's what I heard.
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Yeah Middx championship Leo
we've get(or did get) a lot of ringers so they brought in photo id and reg numbers
the county league does'nt have our problems i dont think!!
it's a f-in shambles our league
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Yeah Middx championship Leo
we've get(or did get) a lot of ringers so they brought in photo id and reg numbers
the county league does'nt have our problems i dont think!!
it's a f-in shambles our league
Whats the standard like mate?
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What team do you play for ppcc? - Perivale perhaps?
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johan do we know each other?? haha
Leo,standard is pretty good i would say
our side is in div1 now but only by default as the county league lost a club during the winter so we had to make up the numbers(barnet b's went bust)
i know most of the county league sides thou like highgate,acton etc
the middlesex championship has always been just below county league standards
the county league div 3(lowest) would still be better than our Div 1 standard I reckon..
ive played many games at Highgate and north london, nice grounds,good standard....
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Banned Pakistan pace bowler Mohammad Amir speaking exclusively to PakPassion.net confirmed that he had featured in a Surrey Cricket League Division One match for Addington on Saturday 4th June.
Amir though clarified the reasons behind his appearance and added that he never knew that the match was a league fixture.
"I was informed by club representatives before the game that it was a friendly match, being played on a privately owned cricket ground. I asked the club representatives if the match fell under the jurisdiction of the ECB and they informed me that the match did not. I spoke to several club representatives about the issue and they all told me that it was a friendly match and therefore would not contravene my ban from the ICC. I was informed that I was fine to play"
Amir who is currently serving a ban for spot fixing during the 2010 series in England, denied that he had signed any sort of registration documents with the club and insisted that he would not risk aggravating his standing by playing in a meaningless fixture.
"I would not be stupid enough to knowingly play in a match that I knew would contravene my ban. Wherever I am going to play cricket, the world will know about it. I would not be stupid enough to play in a match where I knew that I would be taking a risk".
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so whats your opinion cover drive?
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Bridgwater and Yeovil require 12 of each plus the ability to bring your sister and wife along to meals as your plus one.
*Like*
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The thing is - he was playing in a village game, most likely for a friend, certainly not being paid... he does appear to have ruined the game somewhat!
it isn't even a Surrey Championship game!!
Just to confirm Amir played in a village game which happens to be in an unaffiliated league in Surrey, NOT the Surrey Championship - on that basis - which is a significantly different prospect, he may actually have been ok to play.
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so whats your opinion cover drive?
I'll trust him in this because the game doesn't come under ICC/ECB
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I'll trust him in this because the game doesn't come under ICC/ECB
Seriously? You think?
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I'll trust him in this because the game doesn't come under ICC/ECB
That doesnt suprise me one bit, take off those rose tinted glasses mate
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Seriously? You think?
Yes, as Buzz said it is was a village game not the one in Surrey Championship.
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I am happy to put the rose tinted glasses on too...
Addington 1743 also issued a statement, saying: "We are a village team self-funded by the players. We have no official umpires [the players umpire the games themselves]. We knew that Amir was keen to get fit.
"We invited him to join us in order for him to get some practice. He did not stay for the whole game. Amir did not think that he was breaching his ban, nor did the club.
"We asked the league whether he could play and we were told that he could. Amir was very anxious not to violate his ban.
"If there has been any misunderstanding or breach of his ban it has occurred entirely as a result of the assurance that we gave him. If that assurance was mistaken we apologise to everyone."
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I am happy to put the rose tinted glasses on too...
Addington 1743 also issued a statement, saying: "We are a village team self-funded by the players. We have no official umpires [the players umpire the games themselves]. We knew that Amir was keen to get fit.
"We invited him to join us in order for him to get some practice. He did not stay for the whole game. Amir did not think that he was breaching his ban, nor did the club.
"We asked the league whether he could play and we were told that he could. Amir was very anxious not to violate his ban.
"If there has been any misunderstanding or breach of his ban it has occurred entirely as a result of the assurance that we gave him. If that assurance was mistaken we apologise to everyone."
I'm sorry, but as the chairman of the club, wouldn't you, given the opportunity to have a Pakistan International who has been banned from "all forms of cricket", call up not only the league, but get some representation from the ECB to make sure that the game wasn't under the jurisdiction of the ECB, before saying, "Come on then lad, have a game"? Seriously?
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I'm sorry, but as the chairman of the club, wouldn't you, given the opportunity to have a Pakistan International who has been banned from "all forms of cricket", call up not only the league, but get some representation from the ECB to make sure that the game wasn't under the jurisdiction of the ECB, before saying, "Come on then lad, have a game"? Seriously?
I'm sure it is "all forms of cricket regulated by ICC and ones that fall under ICC".
He can still play for private leagues anywhere in the world. He can play for private clubs in Pakistan, UK etc
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I'm sorry, but as the chairman of the club, wouldn't you, given the opportunity to have a Pakistan International who has been banned from "all forms of cricket", call up not only the league, but get some representation from the ECB to make sure that the game wasn't under the jurisdiction of the ECB, before saying, "Come on then lad, have a game"? Seriously?
Personally yes I completely agree with you, but that doesn't mean he was totally not allowed to play... I do think the guys at the league should have said no too.
What a shambles. Either way the Surrey Cricket league has a nice website http://www.surreycricketleague.co.uk/ and it does quote ECB playing conditions, but it does not say it is affliated to the ECB or to the Surrey Cricket Board.
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I'm sure it is "all forms of cricket regulated by ICC and ones that fall under ICC".
He can still play for private leagues anywhere in the world. He can play for private clubs in Pakistan, UK etc
I think it's "any cricketing related activities which are governed by the ICC or any of its members", in which case, with the Surrey League governed by the Surrey Cricket Board, which is governed by the ECB, he's in trouble. I say that it's governed by the ECB, as this can be found: http://www.surreycricketleague.co.uk/guideecbinfo.htm
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Amir is banned from all forms of cricket and cricket related activities.
100 per cent the league should have said no,the club should have said no and he should have said no.The ICC regulation is pretty clear whether some leagues fall under their jurisdiction is a mute point...it might be a loop hole,it might not.
I actually feel sorry for Amir,plenty have done this before and not got caught-but he did and along with Asif and Butt he should serve his ban.
I play with a lot of Pakistan guys and have met Mohammed Sami and Saqlain Mushtaq who have visited our club in the last 2 years.
The Pakistan guys I play with know the players-and they said they are guilty as hell and should have got life bans.
That's their view,not mine....
Amir is a young man who has a chance to get his career back,he is fantastically talented but he broke the rules and he knows he did wrong
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well pointed out Tim
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Amir is banned from all forms of cricket and cricket related activities.
100 per cent the league should have said no,the club should have said no and he should have said no.The ICC regulation is pretty clear whether some leagues fall under their jurisdiction is a mute point...it might be a loop hole,it might not.
I actually feel sorry for Amir,plenty have done this before and not got caught-but he did and along with Asif and Butt he should serve his ban.
I play with a lot of Pakistan guys and have met Mohammed Sami and Saqlain Mushtaq who have visited our club in the last 2 years.
The Pakistan guys I play with know the players-and they said they are guilty as hell and should have got life bans.
That's their view,not mine....
Amir is a young man who has a chance to get his career back,he is fantastically talented but he broke the rules and he knows he did wrong
Asif and Butt no doubt should have been banned for life, Amir too as he did it.
It was Butt who had made Amir do all this.
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It was Butt who had made Amir do all this.
What proof have you got of this? Surely he had the chance to say no. If he was getting threatened then there is such a thing called the ICC anti-corruption unit. He wasn't made to do it, he saw the opportunity of turning a quick buck and took it. Yes he took it to support his poor family blah blah, which is commendable but still against the law. It might well have been Butt's idea but all 3 went along with it. They've made their bed and should like in it.
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i think you are 100 per cent right
Amir has been led by Butt and Asif, I know the Pakistan culture because I have played in a multi racial league for 20 years and my own team mates are indian or pakistani
The captain's instructions would have been followed exactly.A youngster would not question his captain.I'm 100 per cent sure a lot of the money they got would go back to their villages,Butt is from a well off family-Amir is not,he is from a poor background.
But they must all be punished for what they did,otherwise cricket will suffer in the future
but they are not the first to do this.......i think everyone knows that.
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but they are not the first to do this.......i think everyone knows that.
Quite, they are simply the ones who got caught.
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exact-a-mundo Tim.
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What proof have you got of this? Surely he had the chance to say no. If he was getting threatened then there is such a thing called the ICC anti-corruption unit. He wasn't made to do it, he saw the opportunity of turning a quick buck and took it. Yes he took it to support his poor family blah blah, which is commendable but still against the law. It might well have been Butt's idea but all 3 went along with it. They've made their bed and should like in it.
I totally agree with you, I am not disagreeing. Amir could have said 'no' but he didn't choose to do that.
I read that Asif told Amir "I have gone through more controversies than your age son"
Asif I think was not first timer while Amir was.
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i think you are 100 per cent right
Amir has been led by Butt and Asif, I know the Pakistan culture because I have played in a multi racial league for 20 years and my own team mates are indian or pakistani
The captain's instructions would have been followed exactly.A youngster would not question his captain.I'm 100 per cent sure a lot of the money they got would go back to their villages,Butt is from a well off family-Amir is not,he is from a poor background.
But they must all be punished for what they did,otherwise cricket will suffer in the future
but they are not the first to do this.......i think everyone knows that.
Amir and Asif are from very poor background while Butt has been well off, he has studied in good schools etc
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johan do we know each other?? haha
Leo,standard is pretty good i would say
our side is in div1 now but only by default as the county league lost a club during the winter so we had to make up the numbers(barnet b's went bust)
i know most of the county league sides thou like highgate,acton etc
the middlesex championship has always been just below county league standards
the county league div 3(lowest) would still be better than our Div 1 standard I reckon..
ive played many games at Highgate and north london, nice grounds,good standard....
Haha you said Middx Championship, which I know teams like AP and Perivale are in. As your name is PPCC...opener...I guessed it was perivale pheonicians or whatever the name of the club is.
Only really put two and two together just now though :)
I play for Highgate, 2s/3s...
Never played Perivale though - side question do you know where Brentham 3s play anyone? Leo/ppcc I guess are best suited to answer... :)
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Cheating ******* rotten to the ******* core *******.
I'm tempted to suggest cutting his bowling arm off to stop him flaunting the ban again. Worse goes on for lesser crimes in his country every day...
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johan i dont know where brentham 3's play,i know their ones/two's ground which is off pitshanger lane-not sure about 3rds ground
i used to play against highgate regularly a few years ago,lovely club and grounds.next to north london/calthorpe if i remember
we still play crouch end/calthorpe so yr ground is just next to it i think.
highgate got promoted to county league years back,had some very good players and i faced some quicks there for sure.
our league is the one below yours.we do have a fixture against north london in 2 weeks. ppcc 2nds.
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johan do we know each other?? haha
Leo,standard is pretty good i would say
our side is in div1 now but only by default as the county league lost a club during the winter so we had to make up the numbers(barnet b's went bust)
i know most of the county league sides thou like highgate,acton etc
the middlesex championship has always been just below county league standards
the county league div 3(lowest) would still be better than our Div 1 standard I reckon..
ive played many games at Highgate and north london, nice grounds,good standard....
Yep 25 of the Barnet Boys tried to join us, luckily 22 applications were declined.
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johan i dont know where brentham 3's play,i know their ones/two's ground which is off pitshanger lane-not sure about 3rds ground
i used to play against highgate regularly a few years ago,lovely club and grounds.next to north london/calthorpe if i remember
we still play crouch end/calthorpe so yr ground is just next to it i think.
highgate got promoted to county league years back,had some very good players and i faced some quicks there for sure.
our league is the one below yours.we do have a fixture against north london in 2 weeks. ppcc 2nds.
Is that the one near Park Royal? Exactly right with the ground. It's a lovely ground with a short straight boundary... :D
Yeah they did, we're Div 2 MCCL now... Did you face Duckett, not amazingly sharp now but nips it back miles :D
Indeed, North London and Calthorpe are next to the Highgate ground... :)
Fair enough. Do you open in the 1s..?
Yep 25 of the Barnet Boys tried to join us, luckily 22 applications were declined.
Our 4s played your 4s a couple of weeks back near Heathrow...apparently there were some Barnet Bs boys but did you only get a couple...? ???
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Just to add to the mess, the league he played in doesnt allow you to field someone who has played first class cricket in the last year...
***Ah. My bad, it's actually "Current Season".
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hmmm....this is looking more and more like a lash up up gigantic proportions.
u obviously have to be registeI did wonder how he could stroll into a surrey league game without signing anything.Most leagues have restrictions on pro's playing,our league is 2 years after last first class game,the middx county league does allow them thou,eastcote have 2 or 3,finchley one or two,etc-but you have to be registered.....
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johan it's more west ealing/ealing broadway for brentham's ground.
when i played against yr club i was in the ones,seconds now
dont remember the quicks name but ive faced some pace at highgate
nice club
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We have largely agreed here that Amir has broken his ban - however, i love these stories from the players (in today's torygraph)
Matthew Quade, St Luke’s wicketkeeper
We realised who he was only when the team sheets were handed in just before the toss. Of course we knew about the ban, but Addington told us that they had got permission to field him.
“We were a bit daunted but it was a great opportunity to face one of the world’s great bowlers. Rather than the bowling it was his batting that did the damage. He opened for them and scored 60 very rapidly. I think we dropped him on 25 though.
“His first over he was obviously holding back and was hit for seven runs, which he clearly didn’t enjoy because he stepped it up a gear in the next over. I would say even though he wasn’t bowling at full capacity he was still at least 10 miles per hour faster than anything we normally face.
“His bowling was so accurate, very impressive indeed. I would describe the standard of our games as average and he certainly wasn’t that. It was fantastic for us to play against such a big name in the game even if he did take four for nine. I faced two balls from him and survived them so I was delighted.”
Raheal Shafi, Addington batsman
He arrived really early with a few of the other guys. He was very down-to-earth. No one would have known he was an international star. He was giving tips to some of the lads on how to bowl and he just got on with playing cricket.
“I sat next to him during tea and he was telling us all about the kind of standards and facilities of the stuff you get during tea at Lord’s. We just had egg and tuna sandwiches.
“He was probably holding back his pace but he was still very quick to the other guys. The keeper took a couple of short ones and said he bowled quick. Most of the guys at our level don’t wear helmets but they did on Saturday. In fact even he did when he went out to bat. He did not like the pitch and it was not really up to the standard that he is used to.
“He was a nice guy and I just hope playing for us does not get him into trouble. We thought we would ask if he was available and would like to play the rest of the season for us, so it came as a big shock to find it all in the newspapers.”
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Our 4s played your 4s a couple of weeks back near Heathrow...apparently there were some Barnet Bs boys but did you only get a couple...? ???
Just checked the scorecard... only two of them played although one was Barnet B's first team skipper who is playing in our 4th team at the moment!
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Mohammad Amir 7 4 9 4
Are you f***ing joking?? That's like our club captain playing in our U10 friendlies!
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His first over went for 7 because he wasn't trying! So he bowled...
6 overs, 4 maidens, 2 runs, 4 wickets ;)
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Errr, correct me if I'm wrong but an ICC ban on "Any Cricket-related activity" also includes your league, and any activity involving a cricket bat and cricket ball, of any description. You, Sir, are a complete idiot. You, Sir, and the League committee all deserve to be sacked and replaced by people who know what they are doing.
In addition, the same is true of the club.
Haha behave, you're suggesting he couldn't even knock in a bat?
He's only banned from matches that are at all related to the ICC. A story like this broke a while back about a game he played in Rawlpindi which was basically as professional as me and you grabbing 20 mates and heading up to the local field for a laugh. Which Amir is perfectly well within his rights to do.
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Haha behave, you're suggesting he couldn't even knock in a bat?
He's only banned from matches that are at all related to the ICC. A story like this broke a while back about a game he played in Rawlpindi which was basically as professional as me and you grabbing 20 mates and heading up to the local field for a laugh. Which Amir is perfectly well within his rights to do.
Yeah, I don't think there's too much of an issue with that. Unfortuantely, this was a Surrey County League Division 1 match!