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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Umpires => Topic started by: Number5 on July 06, 2011, 09:17:15 AM
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Here's one for the wicket-keepers and those who think they know the Laws of Cricket......that's all of us, right?
The scores are tied and it's the last ball of the match. The ball is hit firmly towards square leg and the batsmen set off for a run. The bails are blown off by the wind as the ball is being thrown to the wicket-keeper. The wicket-keeper catches the ball and brings his gloved hands into contact with the stumps and appeals as the diving batsman has not made good his ground.
What's your decision umpire? Hurry up, the fielding side are glaring at you, the batting side are lined up in front of the pavilion....everyone is watching YOU! Decision time....
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I'm guessing not out, the keeper should have lifted the stump out of the ground whilst holding the ball?
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my initial thought was not out for above reason, but i think out now, something to do with the wicket keepers gloved hands doing it meaning a stump doesnt have to be removed? or something to do with the bails coming off in the wind...? (more likely the former glove reason)
not sure but i'm sticking my neck on the line and saying out, tied match, let the super over commence!
but then again i'm not an umpire ;)
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Not out the wicket keeper must pull one of the stumps from the ground and tap it with the ball
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Dead Ball. Scores still tied and the last ball of the match to be bowled again?
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Or place 1 bail back on and and then remove with teh ball in your hands.....by this time the batsmen would be home.
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Dead Ball. Scores still tied and the last ball of the match to be bowled again?
a decent shout maybe... however maybe too late as the ball has been bowled?
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Dead Ball. Scores still tied and the last ball of the match to be bowled again?
Heading down this route but a dead ball can only be called prior to the delivery being bowled?. The bails haven't been broken by the ball or a player and I don't see a requirement to take the stump out of the ground. However, it's the point at which the bails came off that determines the outcome so I'm not really sure!.
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Dead Ball. Scores still tied and the last ball of the match to be bowled again?
Cant be a dead ball as the ball was bowled and the batsman was running. I say not out
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id say out as bails werent dislodged deliberately.
where are the heavy bails when u need them. . .
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Not out, if you go by the letter of the law, because you have to remove the stump from the ground. Although you can call a dead ball after the ball has been bowled, for example if a batsman does not play a shot and they run a leg-bye.
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MineheadCricket is correct.
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It depends on whether the keeper knocks any of the stumps out of the ground when he made contact. If so, out.
Can't just knock them out mate, you have to have the stump in your hand and the ball in the other
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Here's one for the wicket-keepers and those who think they know the Laws of Cricket......that's all of us, right?
The scores are tied and it's the last ball of the match. The ball is hit firmly towards square leg and the batsmen set off for a run. The bails are blown off by the wind as the ball is being thrown to the wicket-keeper. The wicket-keeper catches the ball and brings his gloved hands into contact with the stumps and appeals as the diving batsman has not made good his ground.
What's your decision umpire? Hurry up, the fielding side are glaring at you, the batting side are lined up in front of the pavilion....everyone is watching YOU! Decision time....
When the wicket keeper has come into contact with the stumps, has he removed them from the ground with the force of his motion?
If he has removed even just one stump, as long as it is done in accordance with Law 28.1.v, then the wicket can be considered to have been rendered down, and thus the batsman should be given out.
Otherwise, the batsman is not out, and the run is made.
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Not out, if you go by the letter of the law, because you have to remove the stump from the ground. Although you can call a dead ball after the ball has been bowled, for example if a batsman does not play a shot and they run a leg-bye.
If they run a leg bye both batsmen can still be run out regardless if it is then called a dead ball.
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Not out. you would have to remove the stump from the ground with the ball in hand for it to be out
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When the wicket keeper has come into contact with the stumps, has he removed them from the ground with the force of his motion?
No.
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If they run a leg bye both batsmen can still be run out regardless if it is then called a dead ball.
I was making the point that you can, contrary to some people's views on here, call a dead ball AFTER the ball was bowled. Nothing more.
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I was making the point that you can, contrary to some people's views on here, call a dead ball AFTER the ball was bowled. Nothing more.
Yes in the case of balls slipping out of the hand in delivery. Surely not once the batsman has hit it and the ball is in play in the field? Then again, what point do you consider a dead ball inappropriate to call? Very tricky!
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Can't just knock them out mate, you have to have the stump in your hand and the ball in the other
No, you don't. Law 28.1.(a).v:
1. Wicket put down
(a) The wicket is put down if a bail is completely removed from the top of the stumps, or a stump is struck out of the ground,
(v) by a fielder with his hand or arm, providing that the ball is held in the hand or hands so used, or in the hand of the arm so used.
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Here's one for the wicket-keepers and those who think they know the Laws of Cricket......that's all of us, right?
The scores are tied and it's the last ball of the match. The ball is hit firmly towards square leg and the batsmen set off for a run. The bails are blown off by the wind as the ball is being thrown to the wicket-keeper. The wicket-keeper catches the ball and brings his gloved hands into contact with the stumps and appeals as the diving batsman has not made good his ground.
What's your decision umpire? Hurry up, the fielding side are glaring at you, the batting side are lined up in front of the pavilion....everyone is watching YOU! Decision time....
Answer: NOT OUT
The wicket should either be made good by placing at least one bail on top of the wicket, or a stump must be removed from the ground with the hand or arm holding the ball. Neither of these things happened so therefore the batsman is Not Out.
The run is made and the batting side win......the fielding Captain and his 10 players surround you the Umpire demanding an explanation....and arguing that the decision should have been Out, a Dead Ball, a No Ball, or anything other than Not Out......
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No, you don't. Law 28.1.(a).v:
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If one bail had remained on then the run out would stand, but from experience, if both are blown off you must take one stump out of the ground.
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Tumo is right a dead ball can be called after the delivery is bowled.
eg. If the ball hits the batsman and the umpire thinks hes hurt badly.
In this case I think the decision would be not out
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We had a situation on Sunday with the batsman running a leg bye and not playing a shot. interestingly, the umpire (paid) did us a favour when he called the ball dead as soon as two of our batsman had started off for a single. He should have declared dead ball only after the batsman had completed the run (obviously not counted as a run) or the ball had crossed the boundary. Would have been interesting to see the fielding sides reaction if they believed they had run the batsman out.
Dead ball should not be called in the instance as described above - if the bails had fallen off before the shot was played then yes, dead ball should have been the correct call.
Batsman given not out
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Ffs, is it out LBW, and both sides win.
How do people not know to pull the stump out?
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You don't need to pull the stump out, as long as the appendage holding the ball knocks a stump out of the ground.
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Hehe. Appendage.
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You don't need to pull the stump out, as long as the appendage holding the ball knocks a stump out of the ground.
Thats the same thing...... to me anyway :D