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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Batoff on December 03, 2011, 12:26:26 AM
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Hello all, I hosted another session today with a further very pleasant selection of willow available to touch, smell, and if necessary kiss (will, with Canners and his girlfriend present I thought it was only fair that I offer my wand to her for a quick fiddle and maybe a brush with her lips).
Mr Hosk brought a selection of his Legendary bat collection with him and I had a few other new bats to get my hands on. There will be a few videos and the all important scoring in due course, but for now, here's what we had to play with...
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Keep your eyes pealed!
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I would love to attend one of these sessions, not sure my 4 bats would be enought though!
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a great selection, and i look forward to the scores and reviews.
Just looking at that nice looking PUMA, which guess is a miilechamp and Hall Puma. I guess that is a few years old and if so would have lost a fair bit of moisture.
Perhaps the age of bat should be mentioned when reviewing it's performance.
Nerdy, but relevant for fair comparison
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Hello all, I hosted another session today with a further very pleasant selection of willow available to touch, smell, and if necessary kiss (will, with Canners and his girlfriend present I thought it was only fair that I offer my wand to her for a quick fiddle and maybe a brush with her lips).
Mr Hosk brought a selection of his Legendary bat collection with him and I had a few other new bats to get my hands on. There will be a few videos and the all important scoring in due course, but for now, here's what we had to play with...
([url]http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/Batoff%20II/P1040367.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/Batoff%20II/P1040368.jpg[/url])
Keep your eyes pealed!
Out of interest who is that SAF thats taking pride of place
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a great selection, and i look forward to the scores and reviews.
Just looking at that nice looking PUMA, which guess is a miilechamp and Hall Puma. I guess that is a few years old and if so would have lost a fair bit of moisture.
Perhaps the age of bat should be mentioned when reviewing it's performance.
Nerdy, but relevant for fair comparison
I think you'll find (if it's the one I'm thinking of) that the Puma is a H4L Hattorri stickered up as a Puma.
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No that's wills bat
I think this is the hosks if it is it's a m&h distinction old profile with the 75mm spine and 25mm edges
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it is indeed one of Pete's , i can tell you its a top bat too
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Ah yeah I knew there was another one kicking around
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the lovely looking saf is Tims
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not being funny but the main attraction for me would of been canners bird?
and no pics of her? so ive lost interest
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not being funny but the main attraction for me would of been canners bird?
and no pics of her? so ive lost interest
Canners forbid us from taking pics of her following the reaction to her last time..
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booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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a great selection, and i look forward to the scores and reviews.
Just looking at that nice looking PUMA, which guess is a miilechamp and Hall Puma. I guess that is a few years old and if so would have lost a fair bit of moisture.
Perhaps the age of bat should be mentioned when reviewing it's performance.
Nerdy, but relevant for fair comparison
If that's the bat I think it is then you couldn't be more wrong! It is one of the most desirable bats in the entire Hosk collection! It is a stunning piece of wood........ ;) It taps up better than most any bat I've ever owned....I like it so much I got it copied....
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Oooooh! Just noticed the Heritage....Proper bat, proper profile....!!
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Oooooh! Just noticed the Heritage....Proper bat, proper profile....!!
Haha recall stig binning it? haha
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Enough talk chaps wheres the video
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I've just watched a couple of them!
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They are old ones no?
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Can you post a link please
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Just on Tim's YouTube Channel.
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Can u send a link mate never been on his you tube channel
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I think it may be similar to this link -
http://m.youtube.com/#/profile?user=tim2000s&v=yrN0_clx8ds&view=videos (http://m.youtube.com/#/profile?user=tim2000s&v=yrN0_clx8ds&view=videos)
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God putting faces to usernames is strange hahaha ,
Love cricket stig ha
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The older gentleman with the mongoose = legend
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I assume you're looking at the videos from the first batoff?
The older gentleman is an absolute true Gent in every aspect!
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Yes sat and watched them all matey ,
He seemed and looked a tru gent his reaction when someone said your suppose tonhit it in the middle of the bat was a classic haha
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Top tekkers Pete better than that Bruce bloke whoever he was just trying to smash it cultured Pete I like it
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If it is ok, I would rather be called Malcolm than "old guy" !
great to see you all yesterday.
Pete you have too many bats!
canners I might need to talk to you about the laver, I need a bat for my comeback next season.
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Haha sorry fella had no idea it was you ,
You showed the younger generation how it's done haha
Top man
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not being funny but the main attraction for me would of been canners bird?
and no pics of her? so ive lost interest
Don't worry Simmy I kept her entertained with my hilarious anecdotes about batting, my constant references to 'geting wood' and lambasting Canners for having too many bats.
It's fair to say we bonded - the chicks dig a chubby!
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Top tekkers Pete better than that Bruce bloke whoever he was just trying to smash it cultured Pete I like it
How very dare you! I was merely playing up to the cameras and not being a 'proper batsman'.
Anyway, I was on bowling duties yesterday and kept cleaning the boys up with my inswinging yorkers!!!!!!
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Having touched, picked up, waved around, sniffed, licked and rubbed all the bats on display, I can safely say in my opinion the lookers were the Milli Puma, the Woodstock and the green labelled Laver.
What looked to hand out the punishment were all the Lavers, the heavy GM Icon and the Charlie French.
But we shall see what the real batters think!
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Well your an all rounder Bruce so well let you off
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Brucie, you are an absolute guru at those inswinging yorkers!
Your skill on that Bola is the best I've experienced fella!!
And really had a great day, even if Canners other half wouldn't kiss my wood! I even took along my new laver reserve ultra especially!!!
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sounds like u had a good day with the net and other high jinks! brucey every group needs a rotund funny man...look at peter kay, chunk from the goonies, John candy, Laurel and Hardy but to name a few....however none of these have your batting prowess!!!! you can know be knighted a "proper batsmen"
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booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
to cheer you up Simmy, here's a picture of a giant cupcake ellie made today:-
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Where's the videos of today's afternoon efforts?
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I am guessing that the video is being edited to make it family friendly ;)
Come on, would love to see this
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Videos are uploading. It just takes a bit of time!
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Videos are uploading. It just takes a bit of time!
hurry up mate ;)
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just a few of the bits of willow to grace my barn on friday afternoon...
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oh and the Stig appeared to take a liking to the SCAT and the GM bats - although the 3lbs icon may have tested him a little.
He also took a real going over with the short stuff when he had the goose
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http://www.youtube.com/user/tim2000s#p/u/0/O0Ft3OUXQFM
http://www.youtube.com/user/tim2000s#p/u/1/oPzeATuv6tM
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http://www.youtube.com/user/tim2000s#p/u/2/3pTkcPLLfrQ
the Stig video's have been quarenteened for the time being due to the ferocious nature of the hitting...
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What speeds are we on chaps?
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around 60 - but remember that the barn is only 17 yards - so it appears quicker.
Obviously it was cranked up for the Stig
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Not only is the barn only 17 yards, the lighting is pretty poor, so you find yourself picking the ball up a lot later.
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you sure - that means if you crank it to 80mph over 17 yards then it's the same reaction time as over 100mph over 22 yards. ditto 60 = nearly 80 mph.
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you sure - that means if you crank it to 80mph over 17 yards then it's the same reaction time as over 100mph over 22 yards. ditto 60 = nearly 80 mph.
not that much, maybe 5mph more around 60-70 the difference is exaggerated as the speeds go up.
in all honesty faster than 80 in the barn is pointless for normal players.
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Looks like amazing fun, you barstard!!!!!!! ;) ;) ;) ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/user/tim2000s#p/a/u/0/3EZ5Kej9uJs
testing a very heavy Icon, a Luna and the screamer...
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Did Pete manage to get the cat back as he seemed to like it
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in that order?
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I just about managed to get the cat back from the stig! He did like it a lot!!!
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Does that make it a pro bat now?
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More special than a pro bat if the Stig has nodded his sign of approval!
Some say he only wears a helmet for show as his skull is sculptured from solid titanium. Some say that he doesn't need to wear a box for the same reason! All we know is that he's called the Stig and he approved of my scat! 8)
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To be fair, e veryone who used your scat approved of it.
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I am so jealous guys! Those net vids looked so much fun! Thanks for letting us see the fun and games ;)
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there is something about a good old fashioned classic shaped bat, no massive edges or massive concaving. but does the job better than most others. but sadly these type of bats are becoming less popular
i like the stigs set up, very simple.
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someone organize a london batoff please!! I'll bring my sidearm .......
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someone organize a london batoff please!! I'll bring my sidearm .......
hahahaha the batoffs are just outside London!
not sure the point of a sidearm when we use a bowling machine...
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Or have an audience section?
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Just to keep everyone interested, these are the scores from the bats that we were able to properly rate. Thanks to Pete for bringing such a massive selection, and that is reflected somewhat in the number of bats we were able to score. Everyone wanted a go with so many that these below were the ones we were able to rate. Scoring is as before, with a single modification. The VD is based on the standard price of a bat rather than the price paid.
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The GM Icon that scored very highly is apparently a Pro bat made for Ravi Bopara, and it weighed more than three pounds. The pick-up and ping were amazing and it looked pretty good, but for all of us it was really unusable, as we were all far too late to the shot with it. So late in fact, that it was visibly possible to see.
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I'd be interested to see if ratings ('ping') in particular varied if the bats were used blank.
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I'd be interested to see if ratings ('ping') in particular varied if the bats were used blank.
I'd suspect they wouldn't. Some of the bats just make the most amazing sound, and feel incredible when you hit the ball. And you notice it. I was massively surprised by the Woodstock. I really wasn't expecting it to be as good as it was. Previously, a bat that you'd have expected to blow everything away (TK Lam with C6+ Handle) didn't do quite as well as we expected.
The other one to really show up well was the £50 Slazenger. Pick a good one and it will go, but finding a good one is much harder.
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I'd be interested to see if ratings ('ping') in particular varied if the bats were used blank.
Don't forget the guys testing the bats (especially the Stig) have access to the best bats available - branding is important in the shops - but the difference in the power and sound of the shots can't be faked - this is why with the test we have a section for Presentation - as it is important for bats being sold to the masses.
Also if you ask any of the testers how many grains there were on any given bat, I doubt they would remember!! It was all about feel of the shot
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It's good to see that the one traditionally profiled bat is right near the top of the rankings. Especially when that LAver Ultra scores so low..... I knew thick edges were a gimmick ;) Actually, having used that Scat very recently it is a real beauty....and the other one I used back in the summer was just as good. In fact I have used most of the bats mentioned in this list (The same bats not similar ones) and I am quite surprised the Woodstock was as high as it is. It's a mega bat but personally I would have had the Charlie French over it.....it's all personal preference though....
Good work fellas, makes for some interesting reading.... :D
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It's good to see that the one traditionally profiled bat is right near the top of the rankings. Especially when that LAver Ultra scores so low..... I knew thick edges were a gimmick ;) Actually, having used that Scat very recently it is a real beauty....and the other one I used back in the summer was just as good. In fact I have used most of the bats mentioned in this list (The same bats not similar ones) and I am quite surprised the Woodstock was as high as it is. It's a mega bat but personally I would have had the Charlie French over it.....it's all personal preference though....
Good work fellas, makes for some interesting reading.... :D
The main thing giving the Woodstock the advantage is the Presentation. It's labelling and shape seem to appeal more. If you were testing on pick-up and with a mallet though, you'd walk away with the Charlie French. Personally, I didn't want to put the CF down when I was using it. It was SO good and so rewarding when you hit the ball.
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The main thing giving the Woodstock the advantage is the Presentation. It's labelling and shape seem to appeal more. If you were testing on pick-up and with a mallet though, you'd walk away with the Charlie French. Personally, I didn't want to put the CF down when I was using it. It was SO good and so rewarding when you hit the ball.
That's exactly what I thought when I used it. It picks up nicely and it seemed very powerful and pretty forgiving too, especially off the front foot. The Woodstock is a fine looking bat though, can't disagree with that... :)
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I can't believe I missed out on that Charlie French Bat it sounds awesome!
the Stig has texted me something about the GM luna being pretty good (and claiming it has nothing to do with his panchant for GM stuff!!) He thinks that the ping was better than "only" an 8
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For me, when I first saw the CF, It was everything I didn't like about bats, thick edges, too much concaving and a really flat face. The day after I used it I was very, very close to buying one and I still am! :)
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For me, when I first saw the CF, It was everything I didn't like about bats, thick edges, too much concaving and a really flat face. The day after I used it I was very, very close to buying one and I still am! :)
If you could guarantee me the same performance as that one, then I'd be there like a shot.
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It's good to see that the one traditionally profiled bat is right near the top of the rankings. Especially when that LAver Ultra scores so low..... I knew thick edges were a gimmick ;) Actually, having used that Scat very recently it is a real beauty....and the other one I used back in the summer was just as good. In fact I have used most of the bats mentioned in this list (The same bats not similar ones) and I am quite surprised the Woodstock was as high as it is. It's a mega bat but personally I would have had the Charlie French over it.....it's all personal preference though....
Good work fellas, makes for some interesting reading.... :D
Don't forget the guys testing the bats (especially the Stig) have access to the best bats available - branding is important in the shops - but the difference in the power and sound of the shots can't be faked - this is why with the test we have a section for Presentation - as it is important for bats being sold to the masses.
Also if you ask any of the testers how many grains there were on any given bat, I doubt they would remember!! It was all about feel of the shot
I know the guys taking part own a lot of very high quality bats, and know a lot about bats, but do you really think you have no preconceptions or bias when using certain bats?
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I know the guys taking part own a lot of very high quality bats, and know a lot about bats, but do you really think you have no preconceptions or bias when using certain bats?
Do you honestly think that it wouldn't be obvious that you were using a Laver Ultra if it didn't have the stickers on it?
To add to that, both Charlie French and Woodstock are not brands that generally as well known (perhaps unlike Laver and Screaming Cat) in the real world.
The other point I would make is that I honestly believe that the good small brand bats we have tested in the last two sessions really have been generally better than the major brands. The exception to this is the 3lb monster GM Icon. It is an amazing beast that went like the clappers, is stickered as a 909 and is unusable due to its weight, but scores very well on all the rating criteria.
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Do you honestly think that it wouldn't be obvious that you were using a Laver Ultra if it didn't have the stickers on it?
Yeah, I appreciate a proper blind test is nearly impossible, and i also appreciate this is more a bit of fun than an exact science, I just find it a bit of a struggle to believe there's no effect on peoples scoring related to their preconceptions of certain bats.
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any 3lb goes like the slappers tho
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If that was the case though the Laver would have cleaned up and the H4l in the first test wouldn't have come bottom!!! They are the two most 'in vogue' brands on this forum currently. By the looks of it I would say the scoring seems to be pretty much spot on. I have tried pretty much all these bats separately from the Batoff assessment and other than my belief that the CF is my pick over the Woodstock I would agree with all the scores....you could call my tests the 'control' if you like!!
I do understand what your saying though but I think the guys have been very subjective in this case... :D
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any 3lb goes like the slappers tho
As long as you can get to the ball. Again, ping comes back to sound, feel and result of contact. Satisfaction on that one was pretty amazing, but timing was atrocious.
The scary thing about the Icon is that it really doesn't feel it's weight when you are waiting to play. It's only when you play the shot that you realise you are fractionally too late.
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I have tried pretty much all these bats separately from the Batoff assessment and other than my belief that the CF is my pick over the Woodstock I would agree with all the scores
As mentioned, the only reason the Woodstock got an overall higher score is the presentation. In use, the CF easily beat it.
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As mentioned, the only reason the Woodstock got an overall higher score is the presentation. In use, the CF easily beat it.
I appreciate that, I wasn't judging them on looks!!!
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As long as you can get to the ball. Again, ping comes back to sound, feel and result of contact. Satisfaction on that one was pretty amazing, but timing was atrocious.
The scary thing about the Icon is that it really doesn't feel it's weight when you are waiting to play. It's only when you play the shot that you realise you are fractionally too late.
Maybe you can send the 3 pounder over here and I will test it... I have only used 3lb+ bats for the last 3 years and nothing under.... Can't blame me for asking can ya?...lol
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Maybe you can send the 3 pounder over here and I will test it... I have only used 3lb+ bats for the last 3 years and nothing under.... Can't blame me for asking can ya?...lol
You'll have to ask the hosk...
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What better way to test a 3lb bat than on a fast Aussie wicket...lol
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I'm not sure whether it was clear, but there really was an excellent selection of bats available, including these three. While no-one is massively impressed by the aesthetics of the reserve or Ultra, everyone agreed that they were real weapons.
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been mulling over these tests, a few observations but apologies if any of the points below have been already taken into account:-
1. Agree with Simmy's point - more weight does generally equal a bigger/wider middle. Comparing a 3lb bat to a 2'9 doesn't make sense particularly if the user normally has a different weight to either of those in his locker. Score the performance based on per lb/kg?
2. Putting this kindly, from the videos I have seen I'm not convinced it's the greatest collection of batsman on show. Stig excluded. I haven't seen any videos since yesterday morning so apologies if I've missed some quality batsmanship. I might be missing the odd video but I think there are some better batters knocking around this forum who could add some input - maybe let members know about the next test day?
3. Brings me onto this point - little point setting a bowling machine to 60mph in dark bowling toe crushers. All the bats need to be tested over a variety of shots that the batsman can execute comfortably. Throw downs would be better in some cases.
4. Combine points 2 and 3, you have 50% of the deliveries being edged or missed from the videos.
I take the point it's a bit of fun, and it's an excellent piece of work in my book from forum members who care. I'm not trying to discourage further videos but give some food for thought.
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Nick - all very good points - certainly the first video where the stig is using the goose having 70mph bodyline deliveries is a hopless way to test that bat in particular - but it was done on request from a highly regarded bat making business who wanted to (laugh?) at the test/stig who might (or might not) work with them very occaisionaly. Having said that the Laver Ultra was tested in a similar set and faired rather better.
On the quality of the batsman - who every brings the bat gets to test them - all work very hard at their game and all love their cricket.
on the throwdowns point - you are absoultely correct and you should have added using a real ball would be better too, however facing a bowling machine is way more fun!!
finally - at club level, most batsman miss or edge 50% of their shots, so it is a very very realistic test ;)
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been mulling over these tests, a few observations but apologies if any of the points below have been already taken into account:-
1. Agree with Simmy's point - more weight does generally equal a bigger/wider middle. Comparing a 3lb bat to a 2'9 doesn't make sense particularly if the user normally has a different weight to either of those in his locker. Score the performance based on per lb/kg?
2. Putting this kindly, from the videos I have seen I'm not convinced it's the greatest collection of batsman on show. Stig excluded. I haven't seen any videos since yesterday morning so apologies if I've missed some quality batsmanship. I might be missing the odd video but I think there are some better batters knocking around this forum who could add some input - maybe let members know about the next test day?
3. Brings me onto this point - little point setting a bowling machine to 60mph in dark bowling toe crushers. All the bats need to be tested over a variety of shots that the batsman can execute comfortably. Throw downs would be better in some cases.
4. Combine points 2 and 3, you have 50% of the deliveries being edged or missed from the videos.
I take the point it's a bit of fun, and it's an excellent piece of work in my book from forum members who care. I'm not trying to discourage further videos but give some food for thought.
Hi Nick, your points are all valid, and as we've said before, this is incredibly unscientific. The point about the toe crushers is extremely valid, as you just don't pick them up, and that's one we've already taken up with the Cat, who was operating the bowling machine...
You also have to bear in mind that the deck isn't particularly flat. There is a ridge running across the pitch just about on a length that causes all sorts of issues with regard to consistency of bounce. You can see one pop at me in one of the videos.
I'd suggest that not having the greatest selection of batsmen (and we're all proper batsmen we'll have you know) is probably good in terms of rating. For those who hit fewer than an opener, the feel of the good hits is especially important. I'm not sure it matters who participates as it is very easy to discern between a great and good bat.
It is also fairly easy to discern between a batsman with technique and with none. If the guy with none hits a ball and it feels like a million dollars, is that any less valid than the Stig? I'm sure there are also plenty of those on the forum too :D
With regard to testing the ping, it's not just about the use in the net. It's also testing with mallet, generally a few knock downs with a ball and also the batting with it. Scoring the performance based on weight is valid, but equally awkward as who is to say that the 3lb Icon, if it was 2lb 12oz wouldn't ping as well as the 2lb 9oz Laver Ultra?
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Firstly, it's all healthy debate and thanks for taking my comments in the right spirit. Just to add that I agree that a selection of abilities in the batting isn't a bad thing. Somebody who middles a ball consistently may not recommend a bat that a tailender might. That said, a tailender might not want to spend £200 on a bat, but a batsman would. Tricky one.
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all i was meaning with weight... science tells us that the bigger the bat hitting the ball the harder u can hit the ball...
its like a mini being plowed into by a big truck it would move alot more than if it was hit by a fiesta.
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Question Tim.... Did your Laver Heritage outperform the other 2???
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Question Tim.... Did your Laver Heritage outperform the other 2???
You'd have to ask Mr Hosk what he thought. I found the Reserve a bit too heavy, so it was between the Ultra and the Heritage, and I'd say so yes ;)
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Humm better asked the stig, he binned your Heritage Tim! Do you know what he thought of the ultra's?
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Firstly, it's all healthy debate and thanks for taking my comments in the right spirit. Just to add that I agree that a selection of abilities in the batting isn't a bad thing. Somebody who middles a ball consistently may not recommend a bat that a tailender might. That said, a tailender might not want to spend £200 on a bat, but a batsman would. Tricky one.
I'd spend £200 on a bat, and I'm most certainly not a batsman! But if anything, you can't really judge that, as I know tail-enders owning Lavers in my league, and top order bats with the first thing they found in Intersport. That depends on budget, how much you enjoy batting, rise in price of bats, etc!
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its like a mini being plowed into by a big truck it would move alot more than if it was hit by a fiesta.
or a bright blue polo :D
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The Stig rated the Heritage 1/10 better on pick-up and 3/10 better on looks. He must be a traditionalist at heart. He rated both the same in terms of Ping!
Just as a reminder, these are the results of Batoff I:
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From my point of view and judging the Lavers, my thoughts are as follows:
- The Reserve (red stickered as buyer didn't like the green stickers) is not really played in yet so is not at it's optimum yet. But it is a quality willow so will be excellent once played in!
- The Ultra although barely played in goes like a rocket already!
- The Heritage was a more traditional shape, and not really my usual choice of profile
The pickup (on the Heritage) was not brilliant for it's weight due to the lower middle, but it felt ok to me as it was a lighter bat than I'd normally use. I guess that helped with the bat speed to!
The Reserve was as you'd expect - quality bat and responds very well but nowhere near it's optimum yet.
The Heritage was a surprise (for me at least - although the Stig shook his head at it a little!) and I found it a superb bat for driving the ball! It went extremely well, but not as confident for other shots.
The pick for me was the Ultra which (like the Heritage) drove superbly well, but played every shot brilliantly!
Pull shots were dispatched with incredible power! A couple the Stig played hit the side net so hard, that I'm sure I heard the net scream!! And in fact, the next short ball, I could actually see the side netting shaking nervously in anticipation of another pull shot!
But although the Ultra had scary power, then fact that the Heritage could compete on the driving shots should be applauded!!
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And there lies the rub. What's good for the goose, may not be good for the gander.
People will favour different bats based on various things. I still prefer the Heritage, even though the Ultra is pretty special. It suits my style of play better. I'd suggest that both the Ultra and the Heritage have the same amount of wood in them, and as I'm an inch taller or so than Pete, the position of the Heritage middle suits me better!
If there's anything that the Batoff shows it's that different people like different bats on both looks and pick-up/balance and it's the Ping that's the only thing that people tend towards agreement on constantly.
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the world would be a rather boring place if everyone liked the same thing.....