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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: Bruce on January 19, 2012, 04:59:35 PM
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Good arvo all.
So, I have not stopped playing since the end of the season in September, be it Nets, Coaching or Indoor games.
I'm feeling in good nick, driving the ball well and off my legs (my strongest area) is coming on well.
I'm looking to ramp it up now and and would appriciate any help/ pointers of where to go next.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kf-EvgxhM
Video 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rctkrOl-98c&feature=related
Sir Philip BUZZington has viewed the videos and given me some pointers on what to work on with my grip and being stiller at the crease.
I have been working on this, and will film tonight to show where I'm at the moment.
I cant for the life of me play the cut, never been able to. Any ideas?
Thinking about going on the short stuff tonight.
The pitches in Dorset are mostly low and slow but on Sundays we do get some decent bowlers.
All the Breast
Dave
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first shot must have been good managed to hit 2 balls ;)
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first shot must have been good managed to hit 2 balls ;)
Well I don't like to bragg 8)
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Similar issue to me, your always moving after you've hit the ball which indicates your not balanced. How to fix this... im not quite sure!
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All the Breast
Dave
I'm a leg man...
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Similar issue to me, your always moving after you've hit the ball which indicates your not balanced. How to fix this... im not quite sure!
Yep, Trying to cut it out.
The way I'm trying to oust it is by running a 2 every time I come off balance. Make it hurt me! >:(
#That'llLearnHim
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Yup, I agree with Leo, your playing every shot 'on the move'. Other than that there doesn't seem to be much wrong! Looks like a pretty solid technique to my untrained eye. I'm sure Buzz can point you in the right direction re: drills to eliminate this. If I were you I would book an hour of one to one coaching. It's always money well spent....
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Thanks PmcG.
The Other thing I want to get out the very wide backswing... :(
But all in due course.
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If you mean your backswing when you pick up the bat, I had the same problem, I always brought my bat down from about 2nd slip and therefore played across everything but when I last got some coaching he told me to make sure the back of my right hand was touching my backleg as I picked the bat up. It really helped. Dunno if that's what you meant though :)
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May be me but you seem to be arching your back a lot so head is outside the body so may be affecting the balance
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if people want to stop playing shots on the move you can do this on your own.
stand in your normal stance and put a semi circle of balls, can be cricket or tennis, effectivy from ten to to ten past if you can imagine that the lean forward and play a drive at each ball in succession holding your position after each hit the repeat and repeat and repeat...
I hope that makes sense.
as for playing the cut, read bob woolmers book on that, but your position, especially head and back foot is important, as is really throwing your hands through the shot.
early season it can get you into trouble.
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Having a backswing from 2nd Slip/Gully is a good thing. It allow you to play off your legs/pull easily, and, if done properly, when driving you will straighten your backswing before playing the shots. All the greats do this.
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i tend to find after following buzz's advice about my back swing that i am more in line with shot when keeping my bat straight and i find i generate alot more power when i do this
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Having a backswing from 2nd Slip/Gully is a good thing. It allow you to play off your legs/pull easily, and, if done properly, when driving you will straighten your backswing before playing the shots. All the greats do this.
sorry no.
this is not true, or helpful.
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As said before you fall away a hell of a lot but only seem to do it when playing leg side. Kind of started to annoy me if I'm being honest.
You seem strong through the off side and very balanced. Just try and keep your head over the ball. Currently your head is over the offside of the ball which is putting you off balance.
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if people want to stop playing shots on the move you can do this on your own.
stand in your normal stance and put a semi circle of balls, can be cricket or tennis, effectivy from ten to to ten past if you can imagine that the lean forward and play a drive at each ball in succession holding your position after each hit the repeat and repeat and repeat...
I hope that makes sense.
That's how I've been practicing. Feels correct.
Pedals way of hands touching the leg/ pad is also an easy adjustment. Found this easy to bring in tonight. It helped me get in line easier.
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Buzz, I changed my backswing to a more straight position a couple of seasons ago. It made me stronger on my legs and on the drive, but less so on the offside. I've now gone back to my normal/natural 2nd slip gully backlift, but the bat is straight when coming down ( I would like to think so anyway). Is this ok or shall I stick with the straighter one?
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sorry no.
this is not true, or helpful.
further to this you are getting confused with the "rotation" method which involves picking the bat up to gully/third slip then straightening the bat at delivery. as championed by sir don
this is fine if you have an eye for a ball like him, sachin or sehwag, but when your eye fails you look like an out of form ponting.
for an amateur who is having balance issues staying still with a simple backlift is more sensible.
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Buzz, I changed my backswing to a more straight position a couple of seasons ago. It made me stronger on my legs and on the drive, but less so on the offside. I've now gone back to my normal/natural 2nd slip gully backlift, but the bat is straight when coming down ( I would like to think so anyway). Is this ok or shall I stick with the straighter one?
do what is more comfortable, but check your bottom hand, it sounds like it is a little "strong" on the bat... I am only guessing though!
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That's how I've been practicing. Feels correct.
Pedals way of hands touching the leg/ pad is also an easy adjustment. Found this easy to bring in tonight. It helped me get in line easier.
Glad it helped Bruce, An ecb level 3 coach got me doing it so I can't really claim ownership of that particular little tweak though! It does help to get everything in line and moving in the right direction though... :)
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sorry no.
this is not true, or helpful.
I was told by Paul Aldred that you should? :(
Ah well, works for me :D
edit: I did mean the rotation method btw
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They are awesome boots mate, where you get them from??
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cheers mate..
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They are awesome boots mate, where you get them from??
:D
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i pretty much pick up the bat towards second slip but like to think it comes down straight, if i've not got my timing right or the bowling is a little quicker than i can get in line with then i'll pick up the bat straighter, but maybe being a left hander who bats right handed like Michael Clarke makes it easier for me ot do this as my top hand is the stronger hand, i thnk this also helps me cut the ball well as i'm more focused where my top hand and the the secondary tohught is to get some bottom hand into power it off, but by the same token, it's less natural for me to get the ball airborne
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further to this you are getting confused with the "rotation" method which involves picking the bat up to gully/third slip then straightening the bat at delivery. as championed by sir don
this is fine if you have an eye for a ball like him, sachin or sehwag, but when your eye fails you look like an out of form ponting.
for an amateur who is having balance issues staying still with a simple backlift is more sensible.
This!
I had serious issues with balance and Sir Buzz told me not to shuffle and stand still, I did that and it made heck of a difference, my balance is yards better than before.
So once again thanks Buzz!
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I was told by Paul Aldred that you should? :(
Ah well, works for me :D
edit: I did mean the rotation method btw
If it works for you - keep using it - just watch out for the full and straight ones early.
do what is more comfortable, but check your bottom hand, it sounds like it is a little "strong" on the bat... I am only guessing though!
Further a classic right handers grip should look like this...
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/how-to-grip-the-bat.jpg)
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If it works for you - keep using it - just watch out for the full and straight ones early.
Further a classic right handers grip should look like this...
([url]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/how-to-grip-the-bat.jpg[/url])
Face is too open!
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hello gents, just had a look at the videos, is it me or does anyone else think that a more positive foot movement would stop the wandering around after the shot, strikes me that your head always ends up where your front foot should be but isn't thus overbalancing you. Maybe a back and across trigger movement might make for more positive forward movement or backward movement that you need to cut, and a back foot trigger movement might help centre your balance as you come forward. the kind of thing hashim alma seems to have been working on, although that's very exaggerated
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I agree Sherpa. That is why 99% of batsman have a trigger as it gets you in a balanced "ready" position. Trigger movements are used in most ball sports. Look at a tennis player as they are about to receive a serve or a goalkeeper about to save a penalty.
I think they are essential.
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I agree Sherpa. That is why 99% of batsman have a trigger as it gets you in a balanced "ready" position. Trigger movements are used in most ball sports. Look at a tennis player as they are about to receive a serve or a goalkeeper about to save a penalty.
I think they are essential.
I can't disagree with the tennis side of things but having received an extensive amount of goalkeeping training in my youth trigger movements were something that they tried to coach you out of doing if anything. It was all about being still and set ready to move.
I'm no cricket coach and I don't play at a great standard but to me it would seem as though there are as many players that use trigger movements well as those who prefer to remain still and it really comes down to the individual. I think that it is true what Buzz says though that at an amature level there is more thatt can go wrong if you start playing around with triggers.
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I guess it's what ever works for you. I was coached at a young age to have a trigger and have always been a fan.
With the goalkeeper how do you get in the set position ? Because I know know with fielding it's have moved away from walking in to jumping into a "set" position ala a goalkeeper.
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It's an interesting one. I remember watching a masterclass with Jack Russell who said that he always liked to be on the move like a goalkeeper. In fact the way I was coached as a goalkeeper suggested that if you are on the move your reactions will be slowed as you will need to get both feet on the ground in a solid position again before you can push off to either dive or move in any direction. If you were able to time a jump into position absolutely perfectly then this would be ok but in reality it would be impossible to do this consistently. It is probably more of an issue for a goalkeeper in open play as he cannot know when the ball will be struck whereas with a penalty or in cricket you have a far better idea of when impact will take place.
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What ever you call it I'm struggling to think of one sport where you keep totally still ? Golf darts snooker cricket rugby etc all have some sort of movement before hitting the ball. Whether you call that a trigger or not is another thing.
Interesting subject.
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Surely in golf you are still other than the backswing which translates very well to a backlift in cricket?
Also darts I would say is pretty much the same, pretty key to be still.
Very interesting topic though which we are horribly hijacking, apologies!
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Face is too open!
nope - that is what is comfortable for that batsman - how open the bat is on take back is largely irrelevant.
I really don't know much about wicket keeping (or tennis - but I understand the "quick-step" idea) - but the trigger for a batsman doesn't have to be a foot movement, it can be part of the pickup of the bat or a flex of the knees - so while you say 99% of batsmen have a trigger, it isn't always a foot movement. As I have said once or twice - most amateur batsmen move around far too much and by staying stiller they find it much easier to pick up the length and line of the delivery.
if you do go down the foot movement trigger route you need to have it coached into you and as this is done wrong so often I actively discourage it - you have to understand about your starting position, when you trigger, where the trigger in the crease takes you. As well as doing it whilst keeping your head still and eyes level.
Why bring all that complication in?
In golf you can use a forward press, again it is only a "fidget"
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I agree Sherpa. That is why 99% of batsman have a trigger as it gets you in a balanced "ready" position. Trigger movements are used in most ball sports. Look at a tennis player as they are about to receive a serve or a goalkeeper about to save a penalty.
I think they are essential.
I can't disagree with the tennis side of things but having received an extensive amount of goalkeeping training in my youth trigger movements were something that they tried to coach you out of doing if anything. It was all about being still and set ready to move.
I'm no cricket coach and I don't play at a great standard but to me it would seem as though there are as many players that use trigger movements well as those who prefer to remain still and it really comes down to the individual. I think that it is true what Buzz says though that at an amateur level there is more that can go wrong if you start playing around with triggers.
Both goalkeeping and tennis require front-facing postures though, whereas cricket is kind of unique in that you play the game side on with arms going parallel to your body, unlike golf.
I think most problems with moving after a shot is to do with incorrect feet and head position - both of which are probably the most vital aspect to good technique
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I may be completely wrong here, personally I feel you just have a habit of walking through your shots and isn't always a balance problem. Couple of shots you fall away to the offside.
Whereas often it looked like you played the shot then just walked down the pitch as if it was habit. Maybe try to hold you final position for each shot, to try and get out of the habit.
Just my opinion, may be completey wrong.
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Surely in golf you are still other than the backswing which translates very well to a backlift in cricket?
Also darts I would say is pretty much the same, pretty key to be still.
Very interesting topic though which we are horribly hijacking, apologies!
I would class a golfers waggle as a trigger. And a darts players has a couple of feathers before throwing as does a snooker player before hitting the ball.
It is interesting.
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grrr just wrote a massive paragraph and website kicked me off! grrr lol
basically as a goal keeper you should allways be on the move depending on where the ball is so you have your angles covered.
on a penltey i stand 6 inch behind the lind and my first movment is forward then i go left or right but its a pre meditated left or right so u cant count that.
you cant use cricket in the same context tho as any other sport
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why not ?
that is why wicket keepers have worked with goalkeepers and fielders with baseball coaches.
There are many similarities between sports.
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sorry kieron i ment u cant compare batting to other sports.
ie goalkeeping and wicket keeping very similar
goalkeeping and batting not so much
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Ah i see.
The similarities are that both require a trigger movement to get you in a "set" position.
My thought anyway !!
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interested to hear why you feel goalkeeping and wicketkeeping are very similar?
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Im not a wicket keeper but we have all seen the wicket keeper of 20 years ago where they would crouch right down to what we see today where a wicket keeper is more upright (when standing back) in a similar position to a goal keeper. Also how to get in a position ready to dive left or right has been developed from a goalkeeper.
A wicket keeper on here may be able to explain in more detail.
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im both a wicket and a goal keeper and i dont use many similar techniques and havent been coached that way
played football at a high level aswell
never used or been coached to use trigger movements as a goalie
this is just my opinion and experience anyway
its all irrelevant
Bruce is after batting help not goalkeeping or wicketkeeping aha :D
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golfers definitely have a trigger, as Buzz says, it can be just a forward press, but that's still about getting your balance right and everything in line for you to take away the club, but in golf you can do it at your leisure, you don't have someone moving the ball in front of you. I do understand about what Buzz says about bringing in too much movement to amateurs but you're surely assuming a complete lack of coordination, surely the idea of keeping absolutely still would drift you towards being too flat footed and therefore you're always going to be late on a shot, or premeditating. Maybe i was just taught differently, but then i was also taught that skipping was one of the best exercises you can do for batting as it keeps you soft on the balls of your feet. the only batsmen i've ever seen on TV that has no movement at the crease is Tendulkar and i doubt any amateur has his foot speed or bat speed ...
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basically as a goal keeper you should allways be on the move depending on where the ball is so you have your angles covered.
Sooo tempted to start an argument...must resist :D
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golfers definitely have a trigger, as Buzz says, it can be just a forward press, but that's still about getting your balance right and everything in line for you to take away the club, but in golf you can do it at your leisure, you don't have someone moving the ball in front of you. I do understand about what Buzz says about bringing in too much movement to amateurs but you're surely assuming a complete lack of coordination, surely the idea of keeping absolutely still would drift you towards being too flat footed and therefore you're always going to be late on a shot, or premeditating. Maybe i was just taught differently, but then i was also taught that skipping was one of the best exercises you can do for batting as it keeps you soft on the balls of your feet. the only batsmen i've ever seen on TV that has no movement at the crease is Tendulkar and i doubt any amateur has his foot speed or bat speed ...
lots of first class players don't have foot movement triggers.
and buzz doesn't say trigger, buzz says stand still!
as for the video, the batsman's issue is his post shot walking off, not a pre shot issue
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Dave. Having watched the videos again I personally don't think you are doing too much wrong. 90% of the shots look like they are coming out the middle. None of your shots went in the air which tells me you are getting your foot to the ball and your head in the correct position. The walking could be a result of playing on slow pitches but to be honest I don't see a major problem with it. Just work with it. The longer you bat you will find the less you do it.
With the cut shot again I would not worry. Just don't play it early in you innings. You will find that when you get runs under your belt that the cut shot will become easier.
Just keep practising.
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Bulldog, (sorry I can't remember your name!)
Thanks for the input.
Ive been working real hard and have another net on Thursday next week, Yesterday's net was ok and I was focusing on trying to keep my backswing narrower and I found it made me line up better.
Will film Thursdays net to show progress.
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Just appear you have got into a habit of walking through your shots are impact. Maybe you should try to hold your shots, to try and break the habit.
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cba
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Sooo tempted to start an argument...must resist :D
ok so if a player is running into the edge of your box your gonna stay stood still in middle of your goal? and not move? lol
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Clearly not but if as you previously said you are "always on the move" that's not good either. If you are moving as a player shoots (unless you are diving at his feet) you will have to set yourself again before you can dive and will end up having less time to react and increasing your chances of being wrong footed. Footwork is definitely very important but at the crucial moment you are better of being set :)
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One of the reason for the post shot walk in this case is the back shoulder pushing the battery though to try and straighten it up, and I bet you can't play a powerfully drive back past the umpire. This is caused by a few things but your back lift is bad, and driving a lot of your problems - that will also be a reason for no cutting, and hands are in a bad place. feet are oddly arranged to, but but that could be the angel of the camera. The That's just for starters!, Quite a bit to go at here I would say!
Good luck, and I think you are doing the right thing with focusing on a few things at a time.
last bit of advice, keep watching the ball!
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Got a couple more videos, These are from last night.
Initially on the drive then some shorter stuff which I do struggle with as not used to facing it yet
As before, please comment etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFwsW2_znA4&context=C3dc7620ADOEgsToPDskLCrIHLPAVcxmifcxNF2yuU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bep-4TmA-k&list=HL1327668784&feature=mh_lolz
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Oh yeah, the net is down the bottom with the viewing gallery above it isn't it. Hence all that noise!
I'm up at the cricket centre looking after the district 12s for an indoor tournament on 13th Feb
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Thats the one Liam. Some kids had indoor games yesterday, bloody kids!
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looks good, balance is better. You just seem to be playing inside the ball early on which is causing you to slice the ball.
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Will agree with that, Looks like I'm using half the blade!
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Will agree with that, Looks like I'm using half the blade!
its only start of the innings though. just try and play more through the ball (maybe something to do with getting your eye in or back lift, sure buzz can shed some light)
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Good point, back lift is a lot better and more comfortable than 1st video!
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good man, wish i wasnt so **** at batting lol
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thats your first warning for running on the wicket
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thats your first warning for running on the wicket
:D
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yeah, you clearly have a preference for playing on the leg side, and it seems you're always looking for that shot, then you're readjusting to play on the off hence the slice. Seems that you are trying to play around your front a little too much and your pick up, though you pick back straight, is coming down from out to in, like a golf slice, great for working around your legs and flicking off your hips but hard work if you want to drive squarer through cover or point, could be the reason you're struggling with the cut the as well, need to work a bit on bring the bat down on a straighter plane, even a little in to out maybe. As buzz mentioned last week, it doesn't matter if you pick up the bat towards second slip or gully, it's how it comes back down on it's arc ... jus my tuppence, looking very strong on the on side though, keep up the good work
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is the batsmen holding the bat to far round the handle with his top hand.... ie behind the splice??
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Looks like the reason you can't cut is because of the pick up going towards 2/3rd slip, so effectively, even though you are connecting well with your drives, your playing it 'inside-out'.
I think if you sort that out, you'll have a wider range of shots.
Off the legs looks good, but the natural ark from where you pick up will help that.
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^^^^^great typo^^^^^
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^^^^^great typo^^^^^
Haha good hit!
Looking to get another video done this week before the season supposedly starts next weekend.
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Good moaning... I have a massage for you...
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I hope he doesn't get banned for it Jonny, perhaps you can change it for him?
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hi mate, looks good on the front foot, but on the shorter stuff, u seem to jump back rather that going back and across and getting in line? just thought that might help you play soem more attacking shots on the back foot, and also will stop you squaring up, which will help your bat come down straight