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Title: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: langer17 on February 19, 2012, 07:27:03 AM
This scorecard is bloody baffling, how can one team go so well, and the other who have some many ex and current Australian players, be struggling so much??? Still bloody good knocks by Davis and Voges

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-domestic-2011/engine/match/527845.html

Also, Haddin got the dreaded pair of ducks in a match. Looks like Australia has a new permanent keeper in Wade and I am very happy that this will finally happen.
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: awp on February 19, 2012, 07:50:02 AM
This scorecard is bloody baffling, how can one team go so well, and the other who have some many ex and current Australian players, be struggling so much??? Still bloody good knocks by Davis and Voges

[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-domestic-2011/engine/match/527845.html[/url]

Also, Haddin got the dreaded pair of ducks in a match. Looks like Australia has a new permanent keeper in Wade and I am very happy that this will finally happen.


the only thing I like better than smashing NSW is destroying VIC.........

Haddin's batting form has dropped off significantly since he and Hussey were the only batsmen to give a yelp during the Ashes. 

However, I'm a bit sick of the "he's made more runs so should be the test keeper" it's BS.  The test keeper should first and foremost be the best gloveman and at the moment that person is Haddin.  Wade's keeping is serviceable, sound against the pace bowlers and that is about it.  Payne could challenge in terms of pure keeping, but that's moot at the moment.  Wade is a great young talent for sure, but the best gloveman in Australia? Na.
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: langer17 on February 19, 2012, 07:57:42 AM
the only thing I like better than smashing NSW is destroying VIC.........

Haddin's batting form has dropped off significantly since he and Hussey were the only batsmen to give a yelp during the Ashes. 

However, I'm a bit sick of the "he's made more runs so should be the test keeper" it's BS.  The test keeper should first and foremost be the best gloveman and at the moment that person is Haddin.  Wade's keeping is serviceable, sound against the pace bowlers and that is about it.  Payne could challenge in terms of pure keeping, but that's moot at the moment.  Wade is a great young talent for sure, but the best gloveman in Australia? Na.

Haddin's keeping was very average and has been very average for a while, and his batting is attrocious atm, so why persist with an old has been, when they can be grooming Wade for the 2013 ashes, as Haddin will not be in the team by then. Also, the best gloveman in the country is Hartley by a country mile, but the thing keeping him out is his batting, so yeah.

Also, Wade's keeping record is better than Paine's and his batting is miles better too.

I assume you are a Haddin fan, as there is no way you can still want him in the team. It is not enough that a keeper can be in the team simply to be the keeper (which Haddin is no good at anymore), they must score runs too, which Haddin didn't do for the whole summer then he went to grade cricket and only scored 2, now in his first shield game he gets 2 ducks on a deck which is batsmen friendly and this is outlined by Davis and Voges.

My view is that, if the old bloke is going to drop catches and not score runs, then you may as well give the job to a young bloke and try grooming him for the upcoming back to back Ashes series.
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: awp on February 19, 2012, 08:19:49 AM
I don't think its fair to say his keeping is atrocious.  Haddin went through a bad period and sorted it out. 

Wades keeping better than Payne? We'll have to agree to disagree.

more importantly, NSW 8/90.......aftern being 450 behind on the first innings  :D 'I'll be a WA vs QLD final, hopefully at the WACA.......



Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: 19reading87 on February 19, 2012, 08:37:38 AM
When is Luke ronchi moving to NZ as he is playing in this game?? I thought it was straight away...
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: awp on February 19, 2012, 08:40:12 AM
When is Luke ronchi moving to NZ as he is playing in this game?? I thought it was straight away...

not sure, he is playing in this game and is trying to work out playing for Perth Scorchers in the upcoming champions trophy.  can't blame anyone for seeking opportunity, I hope he goes well.

it's all over, NSW out for 146....defeated by an innings and 323 runs.......inside 3 days.....
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: espocrespo on February 19, 2012, 01:06:48 PM
Either way, i think its better Wade's in the team, he's a better batsmen, and it doesn't matter that much about keeping, because at the end of the day, they are are quality and at least high quality state level keepers, so none are going to be terrible
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: legger123 on February 19, 2012, 01:24:52 PM
I still think that Adam Voges should of got more of a chance in the Aus One Day team and possibly a place in the test team.
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: awp on February 23, 2012, 04:01:15 AM
Either way, i think its better Wade's in the team, he's a better batsmen, and it doesn't matter that much about keeping, because at the end of the day, they are are quality and at least high quality state level keepers, so none are going to be terrible

my comments related to the test team, I agree Wade should be in the T20 & ODI team. 

Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: awp on February 23, 2012, 04:04:30 AM
I still think that Adam Voges should of got more of a chance in the Aus One Day team and possibly a place in the test team.

He's a very good player and a good solid pro.  He did well in the ODI's he played, and would have been a good choice in the middle order in the test team.  Of course timing is everything....there's many good players that dont get a run.  If Chris Rogers was 28 not 34 he'd have been a walk up start....unfortunately for him, in his absolute best form a few years ago, we had Hayden & Langer and then Jaques was preferred to Rogers......timing's everything.......
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: langer17 on February 23, 2012, 05:42:59 AM
He's a very good player and a good solid pro.  He did well in the ODI's he played, and would have been a good choice in the middle order in the test team.  Of course timing is everything....there's many good players that dont get a run.  If Chris Rogers was 28 not 34 he'd have been a walk up start....unfortunately for him, in his absolute best form a few years ago, we had Hayden & Langer and then Jaques was preferred to Rogers......timing's everything.......

Voges also chose to get married, rather than go with the squad he had been chosen for in 2009 and that really put him back in terms of selection, although his wife would have been thrilled.

Peter Forrest's wedding is meant to be on during the Australian tour of the West Indies, but if he gets selected, they have said they would postpone their wedding.

So timing is everything really. I really feel for Brad Hodge though, got to be one of the unluckiest, if not the unluckiest players to have played the game.
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: awp on February 23, 2012, 08:28:01 AM
I'd forgotten that about Voges!

I don't normally feel sorry for Victorians, but yes, Brad Hodge didn't get the opportunity he deserved.  But busting into a team that had dominated the world for so long was quite impossible.  Making 200 and getting dropped would surely be quite rare!  On the plus side, he made way for Damien Martyn who was previously out with injury.

timing is everything, if Hodge & Ponting weren't born 10 days apart, who knows how fine a career Hodge may have had.

In days gone by, players like; Law, Siddons, Love etc could have walked into any other team in the world
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: hell4leather cricket on February 25, 2012, 07:52:39 AM
Has anyone got a link to watch the ryobi cup final live?
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: Simmy on February 25, 2012, 08:03:04 AM
scrap that last link etc u have to pay... i will try find a link at 3.15 when it starts
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: Simmy on February 25, 2012, 09:14:47 AM
wat aus chanle is it on?
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: langer17 on February 25, 2012, 12:37:23 PM
WOW! That is all I can say.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-domestic-2011/engine/current/match/527877.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/555198.html
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: legger123 on February 25, 2012, 12:43:10 PM
Seeing Callum Fergusons name on the score sheet, I was wondering why he's not been given more of a chance in the Aus team? Everytime I see scorecards when he plays he seems to hit runs. And I also remember him playing a fairly explosive innings in the champions league last year!
Title: Re: Shefield Shield - WA vs. NSW
Post by: awp on February 25, 2012, 12:52:40 PM
tasie had it on toast with the last over and needing only 5.  Bailey gets out, Falkner gets 2, then cant lay bat on ball for the rest of the over, with Ponting stuck at the non strikers looking on hopelessly!

unfortunately Ferguson had been injured and not really performed up to his standard in the sheffield shield and had a poor big bash.  his did however have a very good ryobi cup.  good player, he'll get chances in the future with a bit more consistency.

if it were me selecting the test team, i would give Forrest a run at #3.  Marsh will come back in time but im not sure 3 is his spot, but Forrest looks like a real player to me.  Khawaja was ver very poor in the shield loss to WA and batted without any guts at all, I'm off him.