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[langer17]

This scorecard is bloody baffling, how can one team go so well, and the other who have some many ex and current Australian players, be struggling so much??? Still bloody good knocks by Davis and Voges

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-domestic-2011/engine/match/527845.html

Also, Haddin got the dreaded pair of ducks in a match. Looks like Australia has a new permanent keeper in Wade and I am very happy that this will finally happen.

[awp]

This scorecard is bloody baffling, how can one team go so well, and the other who have some many ex and current Australian players, be struggling so much??? Still bloody good knocks by Davis and Voges

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-domestic-2011/engine/match/527845.html

Also, Haddin got the dreaded pair of ducks in a match. Looks like Australia has a new permanent keeper in Wade and I am very happy that this will finally happen.

the only thing I like better than smashing NSW is destroying VIC.........

Haddin's batting form has dropped off significantly since he and Hussey were the only batsmen to give a yelp during the Ashes. 

However, I'm a bit sick of the "he's made more runs so should be the test keeper" it's BS.  The test keeper should first and foremost be the best gloveman and at the moment that person is Haddin.  Wade's keeping is serviceable, sound against the pace bowlers and that is about it.  Payne could challenge in terms of pure keeping, but that's moot at the moment.  Wade is a great young talent for sure, but the best gloveman in Australia? Na.

[langer17]

the only thing I like better than smashing NSW is destroying VIC.........

Haddin's batting form has dropped off significantly since he and Hussey were the only batsmen to give a yelp during the Ashes. 

However, I'm a bit sick of the "he's made more runs so should be the test keeper" it's BS.  The test keeper should first and foremost be the best gloveman and at the moment that person is Haddin.  Wade's keeping is serviceable, sound against the pace bowlers and that is about it.  Payne could challenge in terms of pure keeping, but that's moot at the moment.  Wade is a great young talent for sure, but the best gloveman in Australia? Na.

Haddin's keeping was very average and has been very average for a while, and his batting is attrocious atm, so why persist with an old has been, when they can be grooming Wade for the 2013 ashes, as Haddin will not be in the team by then. Also, the best gloveman in the country is Hartley by a country mile, but the thing keeping him out is his batting, so yeah.

Also, Wade's keeping record is better than Paine's and his batting is miles better too.

I assume you are a Haddin fan, as there is no way you can still want him in the team. It is not enough that a keeper can be in the team simply to be the keeper (which Haddin is no good at anymore), they must score runs too, which Haddin didn't do for the whole summer then he went to grade cricket and only scored 2, now in his first shield game he gets 2 ducks on a deck which is batsmen friendly and this is outlined by Davis and Voges.

My view is that, if the old bloke is going to drop catches and not score runs, then you may as well give the job to a young bloke and try grooming him for the upcoming back to back Ashes series.

[awp]

I don't think its fair to say his keeping is atrocious.  Haddin went through a bad period and sorted it out. 

Wades keeping better than Payne? We'll have to agree to disagree.

more importantly, NSW 8/90.......aftern being 450 behind on the first innings  'I'll be a WA vs QLD final, hopefully at the WACA.......

[19reading87]

When is Luke ronchi moving to NZ as he is playing in this game?? I thought it was straight away...

[awp]

When is Luke ronchi moving to NZ as he is playing in this game?? I thought it was straight away...

not sure, he is playing in this game and is trying to work out playing for Perth Scorchers in the upcoming champions trophy.  can't blame anyone for seeking opportunity, I hope he goes well.

it's all over, NSW out for 146....defeated by an innings and 323 runs.......inside 3 days.....

[espocrespo]

Either way, i think its better Wade's in the team, he's a better batsmen, and it doesn't matter that much about keeping, because at the end of the day, they are are quality and at least high quality state level keepers, so none are going to be terrible

[legger123]

I still think that Adam Voges should of got more of a chance in the Aus One Day team and possibly a place in the test team.

[awp]

Either way, i think its better Wade's in the team, he's a better batsmen, and it doesn't matter that much about keeping, because at the end of the day, they are are quality and at least high quality state level keepers, so none are going to be terrible

my comments related to the test team, I agree Wade should be in the T20 & ODI team. 

[awp]

I still think that Adam Voges should of got more of a chance in the Aus One Day team and possibly a place in the test team.

He's a very good player and a good solid pro.  He did well in the ODI's he played, and would have been a good choice in the middle order in the test team.  Of course timing is everything....there's many good players that dont get a run.  If Chris Rogers was 28 not 34 he'd have been a walk up start....unfortunately for him, in his absolute best form a few years ago, we had Hayden & Langer and then Jaques was preferred to Rogers......timing's everything.......

[langer17]

He's a very good player and a good solid pro.  He did well in the ODI's he played, and would have been a good choice in the middle order in the test team.  Of course timing is everything....there's many good players that dont get a run.  If Chris Rogers was 28 not 34 he'd have been a walk up start....unfortunately for him, in his absolute best form a few years ago, we had Hayden & Langer and then Jaques was preferred to Rogers......timing's everything.......

Voges also chose to get married, rather than go with the squad he had been chosen for in 2009 and that really put him back in terms of selection, although his wife would have been thrilled.

Peter Forrest's wedding is meant to be on during the Australian tour of the West Indies, but if he gets selected, they have said they would postpone their wedding.

So timing is everything really. I really feel for Brad Hodge though, got to be one of the unluckiest, if not the unluckiest players to have played the game.

[awp]

I'd forgotten that about Voges!

I don't normally feel sorry for Victorians, but yes, Brad Hodge didn't get the opportunity he deserved.  But busting into a team that had dominated the world for so long was quite impossible.  Making 200 and getting dropped would surely be quite rare!  On the plus side, he made way for Damien Martyn who was previously out with injury.

timing is everything, if Hodge & Ponting weren't born 10 days apart, who knows how fine a career Hodge may have had.

In days gone by, players like; Law, Siddons, Love etc could have walked into any other team in the world

[hell4leather cricket]

Has anyone got a link to watch the ryobi cup final live?

[Simmy]

scrap that last link etc u have to pay... i will try find a link at 3.15 when it starts

[Simmy]

wat aus chanle is it on?