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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: charlie15 on May 11, 2012, 07:41:56 AM
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An interesting article here from the boys over a reverse sweep in AOC, the debate is heading along the lines of who shot JFK!
http://www.alloutcricket.com/blogs/international/who-will-bat-at-no-6-for-england
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interesting article.
i think some of the names mentioned show the weakness of the players current form. dont get me wrong i know its not been easy but a good quality batsman should be able to dig in and score on tough tracks. for me the only two people out of that list who deserve the place would be bairstow or compton. its pretty much bairstow position as he is more of a no 6 bat. would you put compton in who is as the article says more of a top 4?
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I think if you go on this seasons form alone it would be Compton hands down, but then the step up (especially against SA) is quite a gap. Although I'd like to see the selectors go for either Bairstow or Compton I'd guess they'll stick to Bopara. I don't think Patel is the answer although he may get a look in for the India tour and Morgan has probably taken himself out of the reckoning by sitting on his backside for the IPL, when he could be getting practise over here!
Although the days of picking players for 1 test seem to be well and truely over, I'd like to see the selectors try out Compton and Bairstow against the West Indies.
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yeah i agree on the patel front. as said in the article even patels coach doesnt rate him as a test specialist batsman and im not sure his bowling in up to scratch either.
morgan wise, its a shame hes not given himself the opportunity to get back in the team with some runs. everyone has a bad slump every now and then and true character normally shines through and gets you back. but to do this you have to play games which is something he isnt doing.
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Bopara scored a great hundred here, he will play and deserves too.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/engine/match/542559.html
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I really don't think Bopara deserves to play, he has had his chances and even Patel got selected ahead of him in the UAE. Unfortunately he is one of those players that scores runs very easily at First Class level but I just don't think he is a test match player. I don't mind him playing in the ODI's as much but I think someone else deserves a go.
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Bopara scored a great hundred here, he will play and deserves too.
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/engine/match/542559.html[/url]
That's fair enough, I think he is the man the selectors would pick, but I'd still like to see if either Compton or JB could make the step up, my line of thinking is you could use the WI tests as a trial and if it doesn't work then you know you have Ravi in line for South Africa. On top of this you've also exposed to incredibley talented guys who will play for England eventually to cricket at the top level.
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I am not sure I would pick JB personally, I also think that Ravi hasn't quite done enough. Having said that all the signs are pointing to him having been given the nod.
I just want the eng batting order to be changed around a bit - I think we should have
Strauss, Cook, Bell, Trott, Pietersen, mystic number 6, Prior etc...
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Matt Prior.
Then Bresnan 7, Broad 8, etc.
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I am not sure I would pick JB personally, I also think that Ravi hasn't quite done enough. Having said that all the signs are pointing to him having been given the nod.
I just want the eng batting order to be changed around a bit - I think we should have
Strauss, Cook, Bell, Trott, Pietersen, mystic number 6, Prior etc...
are we looking at the number 6 spot for someone whos a number 6 or are we thinking pick a higher order bat and drop bell to 6. hes done it before with reasonable success? maybe trott 3, compton/kp 4 or 5 and then bell 6? follow that up with prior, broad or bres and then swann. we bat pretty deep
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Not so sure of picking Bell at 3, I think I agree with Johners on this one by going 3 Trott, 4/5 Compton/KP, 6 Bell.
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Bell will be England's next number 3, so don't see the value in dropping him to 6.
Selector's will stick with Bopara. Only reason he didn't play in Sri Lanka was because he was injured and couldn't bowl. I think he'll probably go to India too, as has experience playing there in the IPL. If he hasn't cemented his place by the end of this year, the dependant on who does what domestically/ for the Lions, someone else will get a chance.
Strauss will retire after the 2012 Ashes, at which point another batting slot will be up for grabs - Trott will probably open and Bell move to 3, leaving a slot at 5-6
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Have you been on the phone to Andy Flower again Johnny? :D
I actually like the idea of Prior moving up to 6 and an all rounder being selected (although the only ones I can really think of currently are Stokes and he's injured or Coles and he's still a bit raw)
I imagine for the short term Bopara will be in and they will give him a run and if he doesn't take the opportunity then they will pick someone out of the lions squad.......Compton, Taylor etc
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I actually like the idea of Prior moving up to 6 and an all rounder being selected (although the only ones I can really think of currently are Stokes and he's injured or Coles and he's still a bit raw)
Pssst Pedals! Tim Bresnan ;)
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Pssst Pedals! Tim Bresnan ;)
That would be my team, but England won't do it.
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Will be a big fan of Trott opening up when Strauss retires.
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That would be my team, but England won't do it.
And the man can certainly bat, batting ave of 40 in tests, 24 with the ball as well. And a very safe pair of hands to boot.
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And the man can certainly bat, batting ave of 40 in tests, 24 with the ball as well. And a very safe pair of hands to boot.
And he's on an unbeaten streak!
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I bet South Africa would love it if England play Bresnan at seven.
If you have four quality bowlers that's all you need. It worked for Australia for years.
I think that Trott should stay at three - it took ages to find someone who could bat there, why move them? Of the current Lions, Carberry or Compton should open after Strauss retires/is put out to pasture.
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I bet South Africa would love it if England play Bresnan at seven.
If you have four quality bowlers that's all you need. It worked for Australia for years.
I think that Trott should stay at three - it took ages to find someone who could bat there, why move them? Of the current Lions, Carberry or Compton should open after Strauss retires/is put out to pasture.
I'd sooner have 5 bowlers with Bresnan at 7, then 6 specialist batsmen with someone not contributing at 6.
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On Compton - he is certainly in wonderful form but does anyone else think as I do that there are definite echoes of Ed Smith's sudden elevation to the international game? Sure he did okay for one knock, but good county form didn;t make him an international cricketer any more than it will do Compton.
So who? You all know that I'd prefer a five man atack anyway, with Bresnan and Rashid at seven and eight in one order or another. But that won't happen, and Stokes is not yet fit to bowl, so the long term plan that England sem to be aiming for cannot yet come to pass. Bopara would seem the most likely candidate - here England need to make a decision as to whether they really feel Bopara will make it in Test cricket. If they think he will, give him the next ten tests to find out (even if that means dropping somone else to play the extra bowler in India) - if not, and I suspect that this is the case, they should just say "sorry Ravi, we just can't see it working out..."
That, for me, leaves a difficult choice. Bairstow is in decent nick and we all think he's good enough...but I'd give him another year in the ODI set up first...as for Taylor...well, he's in pretty poor form and maybe finding life harder now he's playing with the metaphorical big boys...Carberry and Root would both need to bat up the order...and there really isn't a left field selection that I can see.
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Pssst Pedals! Tim Bresnan ;)
Dammit! The most obvious candidate! And an attack (in English conditions) of Finn/Onions, Broad, Bresnan, Anderson and Swann is pretty tasty....
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On Compton - he is certainly in wonderful form but does anyone else think as I do that there are definite echoes of Ed Smith's sudden elevation to the international game? Sure he did okay for one knock, but good county form didn;t make him an international cricketer any more than it will do Compton.
Much better defensive technique. Doesn't pick fights with himself?
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It would appear that Bairstow and Taylor are putting their hands up in the Lions match!
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Id quite like to see Rory hamilton brown into 6 now then bring in Bairstow when Strauss retires.
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Id quite like to see Rory hamilton brown into 6 now then bring in Bairstow when Strauss retires.
Why? He's crap!!! A one day sunday bully!
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Id quite like to see Rory hamilton brown into 6 now then bring in Bairstow when Strauss retires.
What on earth have you been smoking?
After today I would like to see James Taylor to occupy the number 6 position.
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Think titch has put his hat in the ring after today's knock, hadnt been in the best of form until today in the county game but turned it around when it mattered
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Sign of a top player that he turns it on when it's needed........
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or the sign of a guy playing the West Indies...
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The West Indies attack is pretty useful in my eyes.....not sure about the batting though... ;)
Roach, Edwards and Rampaul is a pretty handy trio and there are worse spinners than Shillingford about as well....
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Why? He's crap!!! A one day sunday bully!
Yes because only crap players can deal with the pressure of captaincy and average 50 this season on difficult pitches.. I don't think he is quite ready to go into the England team, however if he continues to perform well then I see no reason why he can't move into the England team when the likes of Strauss and KP retire.
I'm not sure on James Taylor, his knock today was his first decent score of the season with an average of around 30, that's the not the form of an England batsman..
At the moment I'm favouring Bairstow because he has a good average so far this year, he's young(22) and he already has some international experience from his time playing in the ODI's and T20's.
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It would seem that Bopara is out with injury so they've picked Bairstow instead....Feel a bit sorry for James Taylor...Can't do much more than a ton for the Lions against the same opposition 2 days before the squad is picked...
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It would seem that Bopara is out with injury so they've picked Bairstow instead....Feel a bit sorry for James Taylor...Can't do much more than a ton for the Lions against the same opposition 2 days before the squad is picked...
Scoring some runs in the CC might have helped his cause...
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Scoring some runs in the CC might have helped his cause...
I also reckon this is the reason he wasn't included. He has, however, put his name in the forefront of the selector's mind so he should take heart! The best thing he can do now is go and score a century in the CC.
On another note I'm glad Onions has made the squad because I always thought he deserved another chance after injury!
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Both good choices.
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Strauss
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Bairstow
Prior
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Anderson
That's what I reckon the team will be. Looks pretty good
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Finn will probably get the nod over Bresnan, even though he probably shouldn't
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Surely Bres ahead of Finn!!??