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Equipment => Bats => Bat Making => Topic started by: wilkie113 on July 07, 2012, 07:20:58 PM
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I have been debating whether to get some weight taken off my Woodstock, as it is to heavy for me and it was a present of Dad for my 21st, so I'm not really wanting to sell it.
So my question to the bat makers is, how much affect will weight reduction have on the bat? (obviously I know that the middle will be reduced as a bat weighing 2'14 is going to have a better 'ping' than something weighing 2'10)
I apologise if this has been discussed before but I had a little search and I can't find anything!
I will upload a couple of pictures of the bat in a little while, just watching NCIS.
Help will be very much appreciated
(http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx149/wilkie113/IMG_0198-1.jpg)
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Few I can think of;
- Ping
- Swell thickness
- Pick-up
- Balance
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Not entirely true
The weight of a bat has nothing to do with performance to a degree.
It about the skill of the maker things like pressing quality
In the case of a reduction it depends where the weight is coming from
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response from the bat is extremely good, and I'm not sure where woodstocks clefts are pressed.
his contacts with newbery previously may suggest something, but I don't want to start a debate on that again
edges are fairly big, around 43mm, with a large spine as well, I will get measurements and pictures as soon as I can
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Not entirely true
The weight of a bat has nothing to do with performance to a degree.
It about the skill of the maker things like pressing quality
In the case of a reduction it depends where the weight is coming from
Yes but mass does affect performance if I'm not mistaken. If mass is reduced then bats strength is affected as its weakened.
I could be wrong.
I'd wait for Tim2000s response on this
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yes with the same bat it may but mass around shoulder and toe is the area not the middle/core...
weight to a degree is not the main factor in power of a cricket bat
where bloody norbs when you need him..
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As far as I can see, weight reduction is just cons!! No 'pro's' at all! The bat was made at a specific weight by the maker and it was balanced at that weight. If you remove weight from it you'll never get the balance of it right again...I've never used a weight reduced bat that felt anywhere near as nice as the original bat or a bat made at the 'right' weight in the first place....
I wouldn't bother buddy, just get in the gym!!! :D
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I had weight taken off a bat from 2.12-13 lbs to 2.10, The result was a slight reduction in length of the middle and slightly thinner edges . There was only minimal reduction in performance. The best thing that happened was being able to use it more rather than selling it on.
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What are you looking to get it down to and what is its current weight? Weight reductions if done right you will barely notice any difference. Also depends how much your taking off but if it's an ounce or 2 then it won't matter. If your taking out 4+ ounces your probably goin to notice a change. Edge and spine size will be reduced or will be heavily concaved.
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As far as I can see, weight reduction is just cons!! No 'pro's' at all! The bat was made at a specific weight by the maker and it was balanced at that weight. If you remove weight from it you'll never get the balance of it right again...I've never used a weight reduced bat that felt anywhere near as nice as the original bat or a bat made at the 'right' weight in the first place....
I wouldn't bother buddy, just get in the gym!!! :D
I've hurt my elbow mate so I've been using light bats...
And I don't think I'll be turning back as it's worked, the game I played since I changed, I got 34, where as before I hadn't scored above 15
Keep the comments coming in, I like that I've created a bit of a debate here :D
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I see Ryan and Beachy are viewing this, let me know your opinions guys don't be shy :D
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If done properly - when I have seen it done it is at the toe and splice - it can be fine and performance/balance/pickup is unaffected. Find a good batmaker and make sure he only touches the bottom 4in and top 8 inches of the bat.
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Before
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How much weight was taken from it Blazer?
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A heavier bat "pings" better than a lighter bat = nonsense
Has Mr Woodstock got a press?
Or is he like most of the proclaimed "bat makers" who buy in pre pressed clefts and then shape it.
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John didn't have a press when I was there, he said it was still down at his old workshop. But from the clefts I could see there, they all looked like part mades, and like I said his connections with Newbery suggest that he may source clefts from Mr K.
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How much weight was taken from it Blazer?
2oz mate.
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Mr K as in that bloke from Men in Black?!
I don't agree that a bat can't be re-balanced. I think, as has already been suggested, that it just needs to be done by someone who knows what they are doing.
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Mr K as in that bloke from Men in Black?!
I don't agree that a bat can't be re-balanced. I think, as has already been suggested, that it just needs to be done by someone who knows what they are doing.
Superb movie name dropping Johnny! I think personally if a batmaker has the ability to make a bat from scratch and it be balanced, surely shifting a bit of weight from a bat and balancing it is a relatively easy thing for a talented craftsmen?
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Picture added to OP
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Looks to be quite bit of meat up at the top that could easily take 1 or 2oz off the weight. Take a bit off around the toe and your basically sorted! ;) Are you gonna go to John and get it done or let someone else have the honour?
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I emailed John about it and he quoted me something silly to do it, so I don't I'll go that route, although I do want to try and salvage the stickers, which I'll use my trusty hair drier method to save them :D
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Haha!! Can't go wrong with the hairdyer pal! ;)
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I have salvaged many a sticker with the babyliss!
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Matt from H4L took my 666 from 2'12.4 to 2'9.2 - 3.2 oz difference. Losing that much will make a difference, in the case of my bat the toe was a fair bit thinner. The spine was less pronounced as well as the edges being trimmed down a couple of mm. Neither mattered as I don't hit many balls on the toe and the profile change to a more tendulkar style, ie. big edges low spine. Suited me fine as a big middle I couldn't lift seemed pointless, rather have a wide middle and a little less power. Now I am able to lift the thing and use it as I intended. In my view the bat goes as well as ever, thanks to the greater bat speed and the skill of the bat maker.
Before:-
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Cheers for that Nick :), I think I will get it done as I might as well get it down to a weight I can use as I won't be selling it
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It's sad that your bat has sentimental value, Wilkie but I'm sure your old man would rather see you make some runs from the pavilion than struggling! Saunders' example is a good one for you. The tricky thing is not changing the aesthetic of the bat too much while removing weight from something that is finished. It's a real headache and a tricky project. You can see he's near enough ended up with a different bat in the photo which you muct prepare yourself for if you want as much as 4 oz taken off. If you can get the work done in front of you, then you can try the bat for pick up as it's being worked on rather than just asking for a quarter of a pound to be chopped off of it!
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Bat was received back from it's diet today. I will add pictures soon!
No loss of 'ping' middle is near enough the same size, and pick up and weight is perfect. All in a all a cracking decision to have it done I think.
Big thanks for Ryan, cracking job. Will do a full review after CSI Miami!
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Bad as Boycott!!!
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no pics wilkie? i only saw it a little bit when ryan finished it
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Friend of mine is asking me to reduce weight of his weight, which is fairly heavy at 2.15 and also pick up isn't the best. What is the best tool to get some weight off? I am thinking a spoke-shave to add some concaving near the bottom 6-8 inches of the bat? what do you guys think?
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Seen as toms being lazy, these are the pics I took before posting... :D
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1687/1343422889952.jpg)
(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8664/1343422934010.jpg)
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8274/1343422975693.jpg)
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Not RK'd up?
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She is RK'ed up, I'll get some pictures up now :)
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Good man! :D
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Stickers wouldn't come off in one piece fella, there terrible to take off lol!
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Gotta love a bit of pink!
(http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx149/wilkie113/a57c5de8.jpg)
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(http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx149/wilkie113/a89ba893.jpg)
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Good work TW! RocKing it
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Loving the pink stickers Tom! Bat looks okay as well ;)
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Always knew you loved a little bit of pink now and then ;)
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Now and then? aha
It may be getting an outing soon rather than nets. H4L Doesn't look to good :( sanded and taped.
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Now and then? aha
It may be getting an outing soon rather than nets. H4L Doesn't look to good :( sanded and taped.
Send it off to matt, sure he'd be happy to give it some TLC.
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Just need to stop hitting it in the toe I reckon lol
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A little bit of sun would solve the problem. Might actually bounce then :D