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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: stevie on June 09, 2008, 11:15:39 AM
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Has played two series now and was just wondering what the main feel for him was. I think he's the best keeper England have used since Read and he scores handy runs in a gritty worknamlike way.
His keeping has been very good especially to Monty also for a small man he gets across a long way to the leg side i think.
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I think he's done well and it's a good move to keep him as ODI keeper also.
personally I'd drop colly and bat ambrose at 6, with Flintoff at 7 once he's fit
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I think he has done well, but from what I and other people I know have noticed is that his actual catching technique isn't that good. Notice how close to hisbody he taketheball and the loudcrack you can always hear.
This is the opposite to what Gilchrist, McCullum, Boucher and top keepers do, the catch should almost be like a performance with the arms extending to the ball, with over the top exaggeration, and take the ball in front of the body. This contrary to what ambrose does as he takes the ball in-line with his body.
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I thought that he takes it late as well but if it works for him?
I think he's done well and it's a good move to keep him as ODI keeper also.
personally I'd drop colly and bat ambrose at 6, with Flintoff at 7 once he's fit
Agree with keeping him in for the odi's. I don't think he's a good enough batsmen to bat 6. Would drop colly and pick Bopara as he's on fire at the moment. His bowliing is good as well a definate replacement for colly but i think the english selectors will keep faith with him at least untill the second if not third test against the south Africans.
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I think England just need to bear(s.i.c?) with him and not drop him after one or two bad innings like with previous keepers. He could be good with some experience in both Test and ODI matches.
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keep him going.
nothing is broken so why fix it?
Battingwise, he may find other teams more difficult to face eg. South Africa with its lethal pace and swing lineup, Steyn, Ntini even Morkel.. but so far he has been great.
Keepingwise, I didnt see any dropped chances either in the recent NZ series.
Bopara, Shah and Flintoff all knocking on the door for a slot.. good times for the selectors? ::)
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yeah selectors, england, good time, since when? he's the best england keeper since stewart and russell. just keep the young bloke and give him a few years there. he'll do good.
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Shah also had a good innings yesterday surely he deserves a chance now!?
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You can't drop Collingwood! I am not a fan of Ambrose personally, trying to score through point/gully via cut shots will get him out easily against better bowling attacks.
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yeah selectors, england, good time, since when? he's the best england keeper since stewart and russell. just keep the young bloke and give him a few years there. he'll do good.
No he's not Read was as good as Stewart but the english selectors get caught up in keepers who are better batter's than keeper's.
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if he was as good as read at keeping, he is a better batter than read. so i see no reason to pick read over ambrose
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i think hes goinjg from strength to strength,he has taken well to international cricket
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I think he has done a tidy job behind the stumps and with the bat 8)
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I dont think he's done a bad job at all but I would still prefer to see Mustard playing ODIs instead and opening the batting and have Wright down the order
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I dont think he's done a bad job at all but I would still prefer to see Mustard playing ODIs instead and opening the batting and have Wright down the order
I've got to agree with that. Mustard actually does it for his county whereas in the the 50 and 40 over compititions Wright bats lower down the order for Sussex.
Saying this though most of Ambrose's succes has come in the one day game but i suspect he bats in the top 5 and he averaged about 60 and batting at 7 or 8 is completely different and i think wright would be better suited there.
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I think they shud just make bell into a keeper and the problems solved, hed be a gooden
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I just can't get away with the lad, mistakes are starting to creep into his glove work and i'm not a massive fan of his batting, especially in the one day game.
Personally i'd briing Mustard back for the one dayers (where he should never have been dropped) and give Ambrose the chance to prove himself against a decent Test side. He might go on and prove me wrong, we'll wait and see
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I just can't get away with the lad, mistakes are starting to creep into his glove work and i'm not a massive fan of his batting, especially in the one day game.
Personally i'd briing Mustard back for the one dayers (where he should never have been dropped) and give Ambrose the chance to prove himself against a decent Test side. He might go on and prove me wrong, we'll wait and see
I agree with all of that. It could be said that his glovework off Swann yesterday cost England the game although that may be a tad harsh
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speaking of mistakes, what a shocker, should have caught it easy, bring back mustard why was he dropped?
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Thought i'd bring this topic back to the surface as its starting to bug me watching England!
His glovework was again poor yesterday, personally and i'm no wicketkeeper he takes the ball knee height and below constantly instead taking it waist height instead which would bring the whole slip corden forward aswell.
Again he dropped a relatively simple catch and was lucky Smith gave his wicket away when we took the new ball.
Having seen James Fosters glovework the other day in the T20 he literally buts Ambroses to shame, plus Foster is no mug with the bat.
Problem is it seems his face doesn't fit and if Ambrose does get dropped we'll end up with Prior behind the stumps!
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Heard ambrose did drop a couple yesterday... Id like to see Chris Read back in the team.
Although i have been thinking it must be hard to keep in the England team, lets take G.Jones (2005 ashes) for example, for his county he would have been facing a couple of fast bowlers but nothing like what he faces for england... Harmison (95mph) Jones (95mph) Hoggard (85mph).
Its a step up in class and pressure really!
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Ambrose really isn't doing what he was bought into the side to do which was to keep well and score helpfull runs, neither of which he is doing. I also think he takes the ball to low as well e4sby.
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He's starting to get on my nerves. When he came into the side I thought; "good, it's not Matt Prior", but now I'd rather have Mark Wallace than Ambrose! It's stupid keeping him in, a definite county player, nothing more I'm afraid, and it's time Foster was brought back into contention.
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Haha i agree Arthur!
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I think the England management need to jettison the idea that their keeper MUST score runs. Especially the way Broad is batting, it seems a little less important.That way we can just pick the best keeper. And I'll bet that with the pressure taken off, someone like Foster or Read would chip in with handy 30's on a regular basis and sometimes more, a bit more like Ian Healy or Jack Russell
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Looking at those stats has to be Read.
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Ha Matt Priors average runs he gives away!
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Why is it that England selectors are reluctant to choose Read? He kept and batted very well against Pakistan in his last Tests, and yet they dropped him for the ashes for Jones. After failures by Jones, then Prior, and now Ambrose, there has to be a reason why he has been overlooked, or is it just the typical naivety by the England selectors?
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How about Steve Davies? Seems to have tidy glovework and a pretty handy batsmen
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Read can't be picked because he played in the ICL, so the next best keeper in the country, imo is Foster who just happens to be a decent batsmen as well.
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Watching the test today i saw that Ambrose as well as taking the ball ower than other keeper's do (around his ankles instead of waist hight) he takes the ball quite deep in his gloves. Also to the knick that Freddie caught De Viller's off Ambrose didn't even try and go for it. Also another one that came off De Viller's pads that looked like an edge he didn't go for.
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He just looks out of his depth especially batting at number 6, but i think the England Management team have lost the plot for this Test, say no more!
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Agree totlay with you there e4sby. Pattinson who the hell is he? He looks out off his depth as well. Putting Ambrose at 6 when it's clear he's out of knick, not that if he was playing well he would score any runs imo.
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Well 50 On Debut And 100 In Second Test Shows He Is Capable At International Level.
I Mean Collingwood Made A Double Century Against The "Best" Test Side In The World And Now He's Out Of The Squad, Because He's Out Of Form, Not Because He's A Bad Player.
I'd Love/Hate To Be An England Selector.
I Look At The Squad And Think..."What!" And Pull My Hair Out.
But Take The Keeper Situation.
Do You Want A Gloveman? A Batsmen That Keeps? A Genuine 50/50 Keeper Batsman?
A Keeper That Consistently Gets 20-40? Or Somebody Hit And Miss.... Will Go 3 Tests With A HS Of 12 And Then Gets 80 In The Last Test?
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get foster in
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and quick!
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I agree Foster is a class gloveman and should be bought back in. However now Prior has come back in and scored runs and done decently behind the stumps i think he will be our keeper again unfortuantly.